Independent Financial Adviser
Posted by: Haddock on 29 September 2004
Apart from Independence what should I be looking for in an IFA. I need to find one so that I can get some pension advice.
thanks,
Nick
thanks,
Nick
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by jlfrs
Come retirement, if there has been no real pensions provision - no pesky salesman making people save money - there will be no real pension at retirement. THAT is the true crime, IMO: people will be forced to rely on the state for handouts.
...and herein lies the problem because it's generally accepted that most retirees struggle to meet even their most basic needs if they have to rely on the state pension alone and means testing is another hot potato.
Therefore, most people (who have a choice), have to explore other vehicles for a reliable income or nest egg come retirement and that might take many forms. A private pension is one, ISAs, National Savings, property investment are all others.In other words and to make a huge general statement, the average person will need to seek advice on these matters from an "expert". As far as I am aware,the options are very limited and unless you work in or around the business as Mike does then it's either a case of reading up on the products and choosing one form the "top 10 list" in the Sunday periodicals, or going to an FA....
...and herein lies the problem because it's generally accepted that most retirees struggle to meet even their most basic needs if they have to rely on the state pension alone and means testing is another hot potato.
Therefore, most people (who have a choice), have to explore other vehicles for a reliable income or nest egg come retirement and that might take many forms. A private pension is one, ISAs, National Savings, property investment are all others.In other words and to make a huge general statement, the average person will need to seek advice on these matters from an "expert". As far as I am aware,the options are very limited and unless you work in or around the business as Mike does then it's either a case of reading up on the products and choosing one form the "top 10 list" in the Sunday periodicals, or going to an FA....
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by Simon Perry
... and the problem is compounded by no-one knowing what the hell the government is going to do / have done as you get closer to retirement.
Frankly my pension terrifies the hell out of me.
Simon
Frankly my pension terrifies the hell out of me.
Simon
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by jlfrs
...absolutely! The only thing that makes sense is to realise that fundamentally, unless one puts money into a savings account, money put into a pension fund, ISA, endowment policy or other "savings Scheme" is at risk because the money is invested in stocks and shares.
For example, last tax year , my pension fund lost 19%. I've just had my 6 monthly statement through and it's recovered by 11%.
Lastly,I'm sure we can all recall the well documented cases of "pension fund raiding" by some well known companies so caution has to be exercised, even in the so called "safe havens" of company pension schemes!
For example, last tax year , my pension fund lost 19%. I've just had my 6 monthly statement through and it's recovered by 11%.
Lastly,I'm sure we can all recall the well documented cases of "pension fund raiding" by some well known companies so caution has to be exercised, even in the so called "safe havens" of company pension schemes!
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by MichaelC
On the subject of adequate pension funding the only real answer is to become a government minister or, better still, a Euro MP.
Snouts in the trough everyone
Mike
Snouts in the trough everyone
Mike
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by Steve Toy
quote:
...absolutely! The only thing that makes sense is to realise that fundamentally, unless one puts money into a savings account, money put into a pension fund, ISA, endowment policy or other "savings Scheme" is at risk because the money is invested in stocks and shares.
For example, last tax year , my pension fund lost 19%. I've just had my 6 monthly statement through and it's recovered by 11%.
When I bought my pension scheme the FTSE was at an all-time high of 7000.
Now it is a smidge below 2600, and has been so for over three years.
However, it can't stay in the doldrums forever and I'm not going to retire until I'm 60.
Surely the FTSE is only risky in the short term.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by reductionist
In the spirit of this thread I was just wondering if NB or Mike might like to suggest a good pension option for me? Free of charge of course.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
I have a lie to bet property.
Sorry, should have said, "Buy to let".
Regards
Mike
Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.
Sorry, should have said, "Buy to let".
Regards
Mike
Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by NB
Quote:-
In the spirit of this thread I was just wondering if NB or Mike might like to suggest a good pension option for me? Free of charge of course.
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Simple, save loads of money for the next 20 years, you will need around half a million to retire on comfortably.
Regards
NB
In the spirit of this thread I was just wondering if NB or Mike might like to suggest a good pension option for me? Free of charge of course.
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Simple, save loads of money for the next 20 years, you will need around half a million to retire on comfortably.
Regards
NB
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by NB
But seriously Reductionist!
To be able to give proper pension advice firstly I would have to be qualified and registered, which I am not.
Secondly I would have to sit down and do an in-depth fact find on you.This would enable me to find out all the necessary infromation about you and prove that I know my client. I would then have to be able to prove your identity with either a copy of your driving license or passport and then prove your address with a copy of a utility bill or Financial statment.
Once I have done that I need to fully understand your requirments. When I fully understand your requirments I have to research the market to identify the correct products for your requirments.
When I have identified the most suitable products and Companies for your needs, I have to explain the products fully covering every detail including charges and commisions etc.
I have to write to you explaining my recomendations etc.
Asuming you accept my advice, I then have to write a "reasons why" letter to you putting all my recomendations in writing to you.
Finally when my advice and recomendations have been passed by compliance we can complete the necessary paperwork to complete the transaction.
The whole process can take weeks to complete!
Fianally after all that work and responsibility I may get a small amount of commision.
You can see why I no longer want to be an IFA!
I think I have covered everything there, Mike, is there anything I have missed?
Regards
NB
To be able to give proper pension advice firstly I would have to be qualified and registered, which I am not.
Secondly I would have to sit down and do an in-depth fact find on you.This would enable me to find out all the necessary infromation about you and prove that I know my client. I would then have to be able to prove your identity with either a copy of your driving license or passport and then prove your address with a copy of a utility bill or Financial statment.
Once I have done that I need to fully understand your requirments. When I fully understand your requirments I have to research the market to identify the correct products for your requirments.
When I have identified the most suitable products and Companies for your needs, I have to explain the products fully covering every detail including charges and commisions etc.
I have to write to you explaining my recomendations etc.
Asuming you accept my advice, I then have to write a "reasons why" letter to you putting all my recomendations in writing to you.
Finally when my advice and recomendations have been passed by compliance we can complete the necessary paperwork to complete the transaction.
The whole process can take weeks to complete!
Fianally after all that work and responsibility I may get a small amount of commision.
You can see why I no longer want to be an IFA!
I think I have covered everything there, Mike, is there anything I have missed?
Regards
NB
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Yes
If, in the future, legislation is enacted which overrides or disagrees the advice you give today, you will face a PI claim and lose!
You have not mentioned the possibility that a client can take your research and buy execution only, online. You then get zip, nil, rien, nada, nicht, nowt.
And people wonder why pensions are not being sold.
Regards
Mike
Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.
If, in the future, legislation is enacted which overrides or disagrees the advice you give today, you will face a PI claim and lose!
You have not mentioned the possibility that a client can take your research and buy execution only, online. You then get zip, nil, rien, nada, nicht, nowt.
And people wonder why pensions are not being sold.
Regards
Mike
Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by NB
Ah yes there was something I forgot, the horendous cost of Indemnity Insurance, Compliance and regulatory fee's just in case you want to sue me.
Regards
NB
Regards
NB
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by NB
the best bit is Mike?
People want free advice....!!!
Regards
NB
People want free advice....!!!
Regards
NB
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by MichaelC
quote:
Originally posted by reductionist:
In the spirit of this thread I was just wondering if NB or Mike might like to suggest a good pension option for me? Free of charge of course.
See my earlier post about becoming an MP or better still a Euro MP.
Mike
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by NB
Even better become an IFA they make "LOADS OF MONEY!!!!"
Regards
NB
Regards
NB
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Steve Toy
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Stevie boy
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Now it is a smidge below 2600, and has been so for over three years
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Maybe you can retire sooner than you think, the FT has the FTSE at about 4600. See! Riches!
Oops, bit of a typo going on there.
I know, you'd have to go back as far as 1987 for the FTSE to be as low as 2600.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 05 October 2004 by bhazen
As an American, I've always been curious - what sort of vehicles do you in the U.K. invest in for retirement (outside of corporate or government pensions)? Do you have mutual (stock and/or bond) funds, as we do here? Are dividends taxed? Do you have tax-deferred accounts (like our IRAs*/401ks^) that you can contribute to? Does HMG provide some sort of modest general pension to all retirement-age people, like our Social Security system? I apologise for not being familiar with the acronyms/abbreviations used in this thread.
*Individual Retirement Account, per the IRS
^Similar to an IRA, but employer-sponsored
*Individual Retirement Account, per the IRS
^Similar to an IRA, but employer-sponsored