Palestinian Arrogance & Hypocracy³
Posted by: Berlin Fritz on 15 July 2004
I was amazed to hear reports of Palestinian politicians and local leaders
complaining about (Heavy Handed Israeli Tactics) when their militia moved into
areas where tunnels, and terrorist elements were clearly found.
We in the West
cannot imagine what it is like to be the under constant threat of suicide
bombers, etc, etc, that are obviously supplied from other Arab Nations in the
region (22). Without US protection, and heavy armament Israel cannot possibly
have a peaceful future based on Democracy, tolerance and understanding for its
neighbours.
The Palestinians should respect Israel as a Sovereign land because it
gives them work, provides them with water etc, and allows them free elections,
and how do they repay this kindess, with sheer TERRORISM, bombing little
children and thier mothers etc, etc, I can actually see Ayre's point of view
sometimes, even if he can't see mine.
Fritz Von Mrsharoncallsforelections
Posted on: 16 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Let's see if there is 1 single example of any Country - Leader taking a blind bit of notice of any decision to date made by the International Court in Dem Hague, just 1, make my day !
Fritz Von MaybeI'mamazed
Posted on: 19 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
It seems the Palestinians are doing a pretty good job of fucking themselves up at the moment without Israeli help, Sharon must be loving it ?
Fritz Von Willtherebelightattheendofthetunnel ?
Posted on: 19 July 2004 by HTK
I guess if Germany had won the Battle of Britain, and I was a third generation british subject under german rule, I could relate to that. On the other hand, I might be pro independance, which would put me in the 'terrorist' catagory. Glad I'm not in such a situation.
Harry
Posted on: 19 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Nice one Trig, I recall the brilliant Tony Benn MP airing similar sentiments in the past.
Fritz Von Lovelyoranges
Posted on: 22 July 2004 by keef
Because PLO has made an industry of vicitmization. For centuries, all of the tribes in the area were nomadic...no, borders, no defined countries.
When this changed after ww2, the response was to be a vicitm group rather than to build a productive modern society. Now, having fallen 70 years behind the rest of the world, they need to blame someone other than themselves and their street thug leader Arafat.
Since they have never taken any offer to settle differences and live as a productive state, one can only assume they prefer endless terrorism and chaos to real jobs and peace.
The fact that as a nomadic group , they are no more entitled to any specific piece of land than anyone else, hasn't stopped this red herring argument about a "homeland" either.
Proof is in the pudding: stop terrorism, build a productive culture, and the walls would come down while living standards went up.
Posted on: 22 July 2004 by JohanR
quote:
For centuries, all of the tribes in the area were nomadic...no, borders, no defined countries.
Says who? And how many centuries ago?
quote:
The fact that as a nomadic group , they are no more entitled to any specific piece of land than anyone else
Like the north American indians, then. It was okay to slaughter them because they where "a nomadic group"?
JohanR
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by bigmick
Keef
quote:
after ww2, the response was to be a vicitm group rather than to build a productive modern society
I assume that you are referring to Israel here.
quote:
stop terrorism, build a productive culture
I assume that you are referring to Israel here.
quote:
they have never taken any offer to settle differences and live as a productive state, one can only assume they prefer endless terrorism and chaos to real jobs and peace
I assume that you are referring to Israel here.
quote:
they need to blame someone other than themselves and their street thug leader
that Mr. Sharon to you.
I assume that you are referring to Israel here.
quote:
they are no more entitled to any specific piece of land than anyone else, hasn't stopped this red herring argument about a "homeland" either.
I assume that you are referring to Israel here.
I haven't read such cobblers since....well since Arye's last post earlier today.
Correction, since Arye's pointless post below.
[This message was edited by bigmick on Fri 23 July 2004 at 9:48.]
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Arye_Gur
bigmick
quote:
build a productive culture
I'm sure that you can point out here in a flash 10 points of productive culture built by the Palestininas, but I'll be glad to read only two (2).
Arye
(waiting)
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
It must be high summer at last as nobody has to remind me to change my socks & wash my feet !
Fritz Von Bayern 3 Mancs 1
There's Orangy
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Phil Barry
The problem is that rejectionists of all religions are framing the debate and tactics in Israel-Palestine.
When citizens and/or residents of other areas chime in on one side or the other, we simply feed the rejectionists.
A very smal number of true terrorists can inflict major damage on their adversary, as we see in Israel, which has suffered major damage.
The terrorist needs simply to escalate his violence until the adversary reacts violently. And since it's virtually impossible to attack only the terrorist, innocent bystanders are hurt - and the terrorist gains support.
In part, the process described above is part of the reason the Brits were kicked out of Palestine and South asia (to a lesser degree), what's ahppened in Israel-Palestine, and what's happening in Iraq.
People of good will need to stop taking sides and to start getting Israelis, Palestinians, Jews, and Muslims to TREAT EVERYBODY as HUMAN BEINGS - even when provoked by rejectionists.
Israeli and Palestinian terror does untold dmage to Israeli and Palestinian human beings. The only payoff is to satisfy and stoke self-destructive feelings of revenge.
One step each of us can take is to refrain from responding to arguments that one side or the other is right or wrong. BOTH sides are right about some things, BOTH sides are wrong. Arguing for one side or the other is self-defeating.
When will we wake up and choose life - for all?
Regards.
Phil
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
You sound more like Park Ridge or Lincoln Wood to me my friend, way aways from the firin line.
Fritz Von Live & Let Live
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
quote:
Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
You sound more like Park Ridge or Lincoln Wood to me my friend, way aways from the firin line.
Fritz Von Live & Let Live
In 1998, For the first time ever in the history of the state of Israel not one
single individual was killed by terrorist activity.
President W.J.Clinton
Can maybe somebody closer to the ground explain this wondrous co-incidence to
me, or was it luck, or just divine providence maybe ?
Fritz Von Daft³
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Alex S.
<< Lovelyoranges >>. That's exactly what I mused during the 2nd hour of my strip-search on the Egypt/Israel border: one side desert, the other, lovely oranges. Quite shocking.
Alex Whyismybloodyworkshopfullofflyingants!
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by Phil Barry:
The problem is that rejectionists of all religions are framing the debate and tactics in Israel-Palestine.
When citizens and/or residents of other areas chime in on one side or the other, we simply feed the rejectionists.
A very smal number of true terrorists can inflict major damage on their adversary, as we see in Israel, which has suffered major damage.
The terrorist needs simply to escalate his violence until the adversary reacts violently. And since it's virtually impossible to attack only the terrorist, innocent bystanders are hurt - and the terrorist gains support.
In part, the process described above is part of the reason the Brits were kicked out of Palestine and South asia (to a lesser degree), what's ahppened in Israel-Palestine, and what's happening in Iraq.
People of good will need to stop taking sides and to start getting Israelis, Palestinians, Jews, and Muslims to TREAT EVERYBODY as HUMAN BEINGS - even when provoked by rejectionists.
Israeli and Palestinian terror does untold dmage to Israeli and Palestinian human beings. The only payoff is to satisfy and stoke self-destructive feelings of revenge.
One step each of us can take is to refrain from responding to arguments that one side or the other is right or wrong. BOTH sides are right about some things, BOTH sides are wrong. Arguing for one side or the other is self-defeating.
When will we wake up and choose life - for all?
Regards.
Phil
You haven't done the LF by any chance have you Phil?
Posted on: 23 July 2004 by Berlin Fritz
That's roughly the way I see it too, thank you for your informed comments.
Fritz.
