XPS2 Impressions - (Well a couple of people did ask)

Posted by: Geoff P on 01 May 2004

gHunter said:
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Geoff, looking forward to hearing why you think the XPS2 is a better upgrade than the Supercap2, Geoff. You've had a lot of good things to say about the Supercap2, so the XPS2 must be really amazing!

Graham


Benr said:
[QUOTE] Geoff, it will be very interesting to what you think when the xps2 arrives, my advice is hook it up, then listen to it for a few days then take it off and see what happens, I think you will be surprised, Ben r[QUOTE]

You asked so here it is!!

When I replaced the HiCap on my 282 with a Supercap I also put everything on Fraim which wrought a significant improvement across the board so it is difficult to single out exactly what contribution the SC made to the sound. A good pre-amp's virtues are to become hidden and not add anything unwanted to the source signal and I felt the 282 was doing just that with the SC on it. So I would say the improvements you get from a SC are subtle but appreciated after listening across a range of music and that mostly it seems to clarify the signal produced by the 282 so you feel confident you were getting everything thatis coming from the source.

The XPS2 on the other hand brings much more blatant and significant improvement because it is working it's magic on the source so it all gets passed on down through the system.

In the words of a famous Bra advert the XPS2 definitely "lifts and separates", particularly it brings out all the threads in the music.

The thing I noticed first was that it really increased resolution in the Bass region. Even the really low stuff which had a tendency to sound slightly "thumpy" with the bare CDX2 became iindividual notes with a musical pitch to them. (Which was nice because it confirmed the tendency to thump was not due to the speakers).

The next thing I noticed was the signal was "quieter" at the same volume setting. This is a purity thing, not a level thing. The net effect is that you want to turn the volume up quite a bit more than before and it all sounds great.

Once you have got used to the significant improvement in bass delivery you start to notice other details throughtout the frequency range coming out of the shadows. Also little musical nuances never before noticed such as tinkling bells which were formerly buried under other stronger sounding instruments, the "tiss"of the cymbal lenghtening etc. On complex music you hear all the instruments much more as separate threads in the music.

Along with this separation of the music into individual threads a feeling of "air" in the musical balance seems to become audible and the stereo image becomes deeper and more spread out. It also keeps the pace and beat going well in the true Naim tradition. In fact I think it makes the CDX2 come across as a little faster than it sounded bare.

Finally The XPS2 does not seem to "burn in" like an amp. It starts out sounding good straight away and just continues to get better until after about a week it seems to be giving full performance.

The other thing I reckon with the added strength in the Bass you need a good power reserve in the amp. It defenitely is suited to the 250mkii in my system. I do think it would be a good plan to run the CDX2/XPS2 combination without a strong amp or at least efficient speakers that do bass well.

I can boldly say I am NOT planning any future upgrades. As far as I am concerned the CDX2/XPS2 combo is very very good and I cannot believe there is much more to be had from a CDS3.

However for safety I am NOT going to listen to a CDS3, just in case it blows my mind.

regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 01 May 2004 by Geoff P
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Now with only a 200 instead of your 250 II, do you think that the XPS II would be a worthwhile step from the olive XPS on my CDS II? Maybe that is an unfair question, but maybe some others have done this and report their impressions. I doubt if I could justify it it till I sort the power amp situation out, but I wonder if the two XPS's are very different. Mind you, don't underestimate the 200. It really is a gem, and not a cause of any distress, but just that I know what can happen with its bigger brothers!!



Fredrik

I honestly don't know what the XPS2 does that would improve upon an XPS on the CDS II. I have read forum posts saying that it is better and is a worthwhile upgrade but will leave it to others to confirm that.

I am also unable to comment on the 200. I certainly feel that my original starter system, a 112/150 would have been struggling and the 250mkII is impressively powerfull, but I hear the 200 is a pretty strong amp aswell.

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Thanks, Geoff!

Is it fair to say that you think the XPS2 was a bigger improvement than the SC2/Fraim upgrade?

I also know what you mean about not wanting to hear the CDS3


It is a close run thing because of the Fraim. I think you need both to get the best result. I am not about to break it all down and try it but I feel the XPS2/CDX2 combination would not sound quite so marvellous without the Fraim.

The XPS2 has been much more of a revalation than the SC2, but I do believe the total system (CDX2/XPS2/282/SC2/250mkii on Fraim) is the sum of it's parts rather than any one item.

If I had to choose I would buy the XPS2 over a SC2.

regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 02 May 2004 by ARC
The XPS2 is a very worthwhile upgrade to a CDS2 with similar improvements to the ones already described in this thread. As for CDX2 compared to the CDS3, I compared them recently through 252, 250-2 and several dufferent speakers including MFS. It took about 2 bars of a song to realise just how much better the CDS3 is. I could understand how some may prefer the presentation of the X2 but the CDS3 is so much better musically that it is best not to hear one if you don't want to buy it.

Brendan (CDS2 to CDS3 change happening this week)
Posted on: 02 May 2004 by andrew p
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Originally posted by alexgerrard:
XPS to XPS2 on a CDS2 needs to be sampled. It is (IMO) a very substantial upgrade.



is this still the case even if you've upgraded to the black burndy?
Posted on: 02 May 2004 by ARC
yes most definitley.

Brendan
Posted on: 02 May 2004 by Geoff P
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It took about 2 bars of a song to realise just how much better the CDS3 is. I could understand how some may prefer the presentation of the X2 but the CDS3 is so much better musically that it is best not to hear one if you don't want to buy it.



Brendan
You've got to give me a clue what the CDS3 is better at if you can. I am not going near one myself but at least I will know what to save for.

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Not as big an upgrade as Fraiming the system though. Again, YMMV.


I agree.
It is interesting that people will happily pay out for a black box that improves only ONE part of the system but have a hard time finding roughly the same amount of money for a wood, metal and glass thing that does the same to EVERY bit of the system.

I am as guilty as any of that mistake, but I'm glad I saw the light in the end.

Geoff
Posted on: 03 May 2004 by pslosarc
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It took about 2 bars of a song to realise just how much better the CDS3 is. I could understand how some may prefer the presentation of the X2 but the CDS3 is so much better musically that it is best not to hear one if you don't want to buy it.

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Brendan
You've got to give me a clue what the CDS3 is better at if you can. I am not going near one myself but at least I will know what to save for.



...if you were impressed within two bars then you will have completely changed your religeous beliefs after three months...I still think that the CDS3 is the most cost effective upgrade @ 2.5k over the CDX2 once you reached a certain level capable of maximising the emotion (i.e. 252/250)...it just continues to amaze....