Top speed
Posted by: Naheed on 08 May 2004
Given we have a speed camera thread, thought it maybe worth sharing i guess a reason behind why we need them.
So come on chaps whats share the following:
1. Top speed
2. Where
3. Vehicle
4. Did you get caught
naheed. . .
DISCLAIMER - I am not encouraging you to get caught speeding
[This message was edited by Naheed on Sat 08 May 2004 at 19:38.]
So come on chaps whats share the following:
1. Top speed
2. Where
3. Vehicle
4. Did you get caught
naheed. . .
DISCLAIMER - I am not encouraging you to get caught speeding
[This message was edited by Naheed on Sat 08 May 2004 at 19:38.]
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Former member
Tom,
Surely you know that road safety is someone else's problem? I'm safe. Its all the other idiots.
Surely you know that road safety is someone else's problem? I'm safe. Its all the other idiots.
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
150 mph is the same as 220 feet per second.
And your point is? Passenger jets travel much quicker than that. Some trains travel much quicker than that.
quote:
No one can react quick enough to prevent an accident at that sort of speed.
Wrong.
quote:
The sort of speeds mentioned on this thread are irresponsible. They are indefensable.
Wrong. Speeding when you're not aware you're doing it because you're not paying attention - that's irresonsible.
150mph+ on a dry, straight motorway with no other traffic in a vehicle which is designed to handle those speeds is not unsafe. 30mph at 8:15am past a primary school with parked cars on either side of the road is unsafe - and in many cases not even illegal.
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Emeritus:
On this thread several people have openly admitted to breaking the law, and, in some cases, appear to be rather proud of it. I find this inappropriate and distasteful.
So you've never broken a law, any law, in your entire life then?
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Tim Oldridge
Mick
"150 mph is the same as 220 feet per second."
Correct.
"No one can react quick enough to prevent an accident at that sort of speed."
This is logically entirely incorrect. On the right road, in the right conditions and circumstances, even an old fool with slow reactions can react quickly enough to prevent an accident at that speed. Just as, in different circumstances, it would be impossible for the very best driver with perfect reactions to avoid an accident at 30 mph.
What is true is that at those sorts of speeds: (i) for any particular potential accident, the stopping distances are so great that the likelihood of a driver preventing an accident are reduced, and (ii) the sheer speed is such that the consequences of an accident are likely to be much worse.
"The sort of speeds mentioned on this thread are irresponsible. They are indefensable."
Agreed. Not a very sensible thread.
Just so that there's no mistake on this subject, emergency stopping times and distances from 70mph and 150mph (in a modern car, in a straight line, and on a dry, even and flat road surface) are as follows:
70mph – 4.3 seconds and 259 feet
150mph – 8.3 seconds and 1001 feet
Double the speed and you more or less quadruple the stopping distance.
More instructive, from 150mph, I think you would still be doing way over 100mph after 4.3 seconds (the time it takes for the 70mph motorist to stop completely).
I can't work out the exact speed, but I'm sure someone else (Channing?) is up to the job. The deceleration rate typically used is about 6.5 metres/sec2 and the thinking time (the time during which there's absolutely no deceleration) I used above is 0.75 seconds, although the Highway Code assumes 0.675 seconds.
FWIW
Timo
"150 mph is the same as 220 feet per second."
Correct.
"No one can react quick enough to prevent an accident at that sort of speed."
This is logically entirely incorrect. On the right road, in the right conditions and circumstances, even an old fool with slow reactions can react quickly enough to prevent an accident at that speed. Just as, in different circumstances, it would be impossible for the very best driver with perfect reactions to avoid an accident at 30 mph.
What is true is that at those sorts of speeds: (i) for any particular potential accident, the stopping distances are so great that the likelihood of a driver preventing an accident are reduced, and (ii) the sheer speed is such that the consequences of an accident are likely to be much worse.
"The sort of speeds mentioned on this thread are irresponsible. They are indefensable."
Agreed. Not a very sensible thread.
Just so that there's no mistake on this subject, emergency stopping times and distances from 70mph and 150mph (in a modern car, in a straight line, and on a dry, even and flat road surface) are as follows:
70mph – 4.3 seconds and 259 feet
150mph – 8.3 seconds and 1001 feet
Double the speed and you more or less quadruple the stopping distance.
More instructive, from 150mph, I think you would still be doing way over 100mph after 4.3 seconds (the time it takes for the 70mph motorist to stop completely).
I can't work out the exact speed, but I'm sure someone else (Channing?) is up to the job. The deceleration rate typically used is about 6.5 metres/sec2 and the thinking time (the time during which there's absolutely no deceleration) I used above is 0.75 seconds, although the Highway Code assumes 0.675 seconds.
FWIW
Timo
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Former member
quote:
Originally posted by Steve G:
So you've never broken a law, any law, in your entire life then?
Of course I have, including speeding (I have done 85 mph on a motorway in order safely to overtake when a t@sser came up very fast behind me in lane 3, flashing his lights and giving me every indication that he might ram me if I didn't get out of his way). But then, that was in a Mini, so people may say that if I'd ever owned a 'he-man's car'I would obviously have broken the limit, as a matter of course.
I just don't go on the internet and brag about it, in a fit of willy-waving. It would appear that obeying the speed limit marks one down as a saddo. I'll live with it, thanks.
Robin
BTW, my issue is not with arbitrary speed limits, but with the attitude of 'I know the law, but I just don't give a sh:t'
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Brian OReilly
I'm also disgusted by the speeds people are claiming on this thread. Some are even proud of doubling the UK motorway speed limit !
This is a website that is read throughout the world, by many different nationalities, and they are all thinking the same thing - what pathetically low speeds people are claiming !
There are enough affluent people here, surely someone has been close to the magical, mythical 300kmh, or even seen dawn break at 200mph ? Is this the Britain of today, the land of Donald Campbell, of Richard Noble, of Andy Whatshisname, claiming Land Speed records galore ? Is this not the land that produced J.Stewart,J.Hunt,G & D.Hill, D.Seaman, C.Chapman, Lord Derek Bell, Sir Nigel of Mansell, His Royal Highness W.O. Bentley, Ron Dennis, Sir Frank, Uncle Bernie et al ?
Where is your Anglo-Saxon spirit ? Where is your unwavering courage in the face of danger ? Rise up Wessex, rise up Mercia and Saxony, rise up you wild Scots warriors !
We will never be slaves to the nanny state !
Regards,
Your leader in exile,
Sir Brian
This is a website that is read throughout the world, by many different nationalities, and they are all thinking the same thing - what pathetically low speeds people are claiming !
There are enough affluent people here, surely someone has been close to the magical, mythical 300kmh, or even seen dawn break at 200mph ? Is this the Britain of today, the land of Donald Campbell, of Richard Noble, of Andy Whatshisname, claiming Land Speed records galore ? Is this not the land that produced J.Stewart,J.Hunt,G & D.Hill, D.Seaman, C.Chapman, Lord Derek Bell, Sir Nigel of Mansell, His Royal Highness W.O. Bentley, Ron Dennis, Sir Frank, Uncle Bernie et al ?
Where is your Anglo-Saxon spirit ? Where is your unwavering courage in the face of danger ? Rise up Wessex, rise up Mercia and Saxony, rise up you wild Scots warriors !
We will never be slaves to the nanny state !
Regards,
Your leader in exile,
Sir Brian
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Former member
Sir Brian,
My minions are priming their umbrella-tips as we speak. You and your kind will not escape my (self) righteousness.
If you're going to invoke Mr Pig and Blzebub, I'm off.
Oh, and that Steve G - he probably uses Shimano, so he's not to be trusted, either.
Robin
My minions are priming their umbrella-tips as we speak. You and your kind will not escape my (self) righteousness.
quote:
Originally posted by Brian OReilly:
.....rise up you wild Scots warriors !
If you're going to invoke Mr Pig and Blzebub, I'm off.
Oh, and that Steve G - he probably uses Shimano, so he's not to be trusted, either.
Robin
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by matthewr
This is the land of Maureen from Driving School.
BTW As, as is usual, absolutely everyone is claiming to be the sort of superb, highly skilled driver that deserves a special exemption to traffic laws, where are all the people we all see driving badly every day and should if anything be made to slow down? I mean statistically surely it's expceptionally unlikely that you are all brilliant drivers?
So who is going to be brave and fess up to being crap? The sort of road going diaster who should have the car equivalent of stabalisers fitted?
Matthew
Who is of course the second coming of Jim Clark but doesn't drive becuase he doesn't want to destroy the planet or give kids asthma
BTW As, as is usual, absolutely everyone is claiming to be the sort of superb, highly skilled driver that deserves a special exemption to traffic laws, where are all the people we all see driving badly every day and should if anything be made to slow down? I mean statistically surely it's expceptionally unlikely that you are all brilliant drivers?
So who is going to be brave and fess up to being crap? The sort of road going diaster who should have the car equivalent of stabalisers fitted?
Matthew
Who is of course the second coming of Jim Clark but doesn't drive becuase he doesn't want to destroy the planet or give kids asthma
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
If there was any advice to dish out here, it would be that I got from the aerodynamicist I used to work with, which Patrick's comment made me think of: -
His advice?
"Never trust flying to anything that relies on chopping the air into tiny bits and sitting on the pile"
He also made some muttered comments about Loctite....
quote:
I prefer the Hughes 300, one extra blade and a bit more stable.
His advice?
"Never trust flying to anything that relies on chopping the air into tiny bits and sitting on the pile"
He also made some muttered comments about Loctite....
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Paul Ranson
Most of the bad drivers I see out and about are travelling too slowly.
And almost everybody seems to have lost all aptitude for overtaking.
Paul
And almost everybody seems to have lost all aptitude for overtaking.
Paul
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
What you can see, what you can't see, what you can reasonably expect to happen
How many of you are advanced drivers, having taken an IAM or RoSPA test? Those of you that think you're perfect and haven't done this should put your money where your mouth is.
The only people I'd trust to drive me that fast would be those that had.
Most motorway pileups by definition are as a result of excess speed for the conditions in front of the driver and their concentration levels at the time. There's simply no other explanation for a failure to stop within the available space!
Andy.
quote:
I mean statistically surely it's expceptionally unlikely that you are all brilliant drivers?
How many of you are advanced drivers, having taken an IAM or RoSPA test? Those of you that think you're perfect and haven't done this should put your money where your mouth is.
The only people I'd trust to drive me that fast would be those that had.
quote:
Most of the bad drivers I see out and about are travelling too slowly
Most motorway pileups by definition are as a result of excess speed for the conditions in front of the driver and their concentration levels at the time. There's simply no other explanation for a failure to stop within the available space!
Andy.
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Mick P
Just to prove that I do have the odd relapse.
1 86 mph
2. M5 near Cheltenham
3. Jaguar XJ6 4.2
4. I was pulled up but the I talked my way out of it. Most policemen are very nice chaps.
I felt very ashamed of myself and since then I observe all speed limits.
Regards
Mick
1 86 mph
2. M5 near Cheltenham
3. Jaguar XJ6 4.2
4. I was pulled up but the I talked my way out of it. Most policemen are very nice chaps.
I felt very ashamed of myself and since then I observe all speed limits.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Mekon
ISTR there's a quadratic relationship between percieved control and accident history. I'd like to see someone find that among this sample without fiddling with the numbers.
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by John K R
I regularly break the speed limit when I consider it safe to do so, in fact I own a sports car that is designed with acceleration and handling as a priority over any other aspect of its design. I also understand all the arguments about the road conditions dictating the max mph but lets not kid our self’s. There are limits to what is safe on public roads, and IMO some of the speeds mentioned on this thread exceed them. You may say that it is hypocritical to say this after my first line, but I would not consider equalling the some of the claimed speeds unless on a circuit.
Most people overestimate there driving skills and ability and if an incident occurs at very high speed IMO only a few would be equipped to cope without special training.
And in all honesty can the following quotes be describing anything other than dangerous driving?
John.
Most people overestimate there driving skills and ability and if an incident occurs at very high speed IMO only a few would be equipped to cope without special training.
And in all honesty can the following quotes be describing anything other than dangerous driving?
John.
quote:
i had to use everylane and the hard shoulder,
quote:
After 10mins of HARD racing may brakes where all but useless
quote:
the GSXR realised i was probably going to knock him down and pulled over
quote:
Most dangerous was 120mph on the back of a GSX-R1100, between two lanes of traffic on double white lines.
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by John Sheridan
quote:
How many of you are advanced drivers, having taken an IAM or RoSPA test? Those of you that think you're perfect and haven't done this should put your money where your mouth is.
The only people I'd trust to drive me that fast would be those that had.
I was considering taking the IAM test but they fail you for exceeding the speed limit by even 1mph AND they expect you to overtake during the test. Any organisation that expects both those things either clearly doesn't know much about safe motoring or has just given in to the propaganda machine.
quote:
ISTR there's a quadratic relationship between percieved control and accident history. I'd like to see someone find that among this sample without fiddling with the numbers.
well I've been driving for over 17 years, no accidents, no off road excursions, nothing. Your point is?
It's not perceived control at all. It's knowing the limits of both yourself and your vehicle and not approaching (at least on public roads). I can't speak for anyone else here but I know that I drive at or below speed limits in built up areas. On a clear motorway in dry conditions with a well maintained car it is a different story.
quote:
So who is going to be brave and fess up to being crap? The sort of road going diaster who should have the car equivalent of stabalisers fitted?
Well Emeritus seems to be vying for that award. Why was it necessary to pull in front of a 't@sser' rather than wait half a second for him to go by before pulling out? Surely you check your mirrors for fast approaching cars before pulling into lane 3? Or do you somehow feel you have a god given right to be there? Sorry, but you've just failed your advanced driving test for unnecessarily impeding another motorist, and if you ask me (which I'm sure you won't but I'm going to tell you anyway), it's people like you who the police should be hauling off the roads because you quite clearly don't have a clue what is going on around you.
Posted on: 10 May 2004 by Steve Toy
Absolutely!
Regards,
Steve.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Emeritus:
Oh, and that Steve G - he probably uses Shimano, so he's not to be trusted, either.
Guily as charged. The only non-Shimano drivetrain bits on any of my bikes are a couple with SRAM chains and one with a Specialized chainset.
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Andrew L. Weekes:
How many of you are advanced drivers, having taken an IAM or RoSPA test? Those of you that think you're perfect and haven't done this should put your money where your mouth is.
The only people I'd trust to drive me that fast would be those that had.
I've done a fair bit of advanced training, mainly on motorbikes. Most of that was with RoSPA trained instructors although the techniques taught weren't restricted to their methodology (partly because track sessions were also used).
My experience with IAM hasn't been good, in fact on one motorcycle list (probably the biggest in the UK) there is considerable evidence that IAM motorcyclists fall off more often than equivalently experienced, but non IAM, riders.
Personal experience with IAM instructors was that their methodology, while better than nothing, doesn't work well in many circumstances - most particularily on tight, twisty roads with limited sightlines (i.e. the type I most enjoy). It can be very impressive on swooping A-roads though and following a police motorcycle rider at highly illegal speeds (during a training session) on those roads was quite an experience. In that particular session he very nearly crashed (went into a corner too fast when blinded by the sun and just missed an on-coming vehicle having crossed double white lines while his boot and centrestand were both down), exceeded a 40mph speed limit by 30mph (after missing the speed limit sign) and was very, very unhappy at not being able to keep me in sight on a twisty B-road despite me at no point breaking the speed limit (which he did) and being on a slower bike (the IAM advocate not using brakes in normal riding and that does allow for "making progress" on such roads).
Regards
Steve
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by John Sheridan:
I was considering taking the IAM test but they fail you for exceeding the speed limit by even 1mph AND they expect you to overtake during the test. Any organisation that expects both those things either clearly doesn't know much about safe motoring or has just given in to the propaganda machine.
You forgot to add that many/most IAM instructors are amongst the most arrogant scum you will even have the misfortune to meet.
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Brian OReilly:
I'm also disgusted by the speeds people are claiming on this thread. Some are even proud of doubling the UK motorway speed limit !
Would it be more or less of a problem for you if such speeds took place on an autobahn where it was legal?
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by John Sheridan:
Well Emeritus seems to be vying for that award.
Along with Naheed and Mick Parry.
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Former member
Sadly I've done much more dangerous things at lower speeds than doing 150mph on an empty motorway. Dangerous driving is dangerous driving; speeding is something quite different.
quote:Boring git.
His advice?
"Never trust flying to anything that relies on chopping the air into tiny bits and sitting on the pile"
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Brian OReilly
quote:
Originally posted by Steve G:quote:
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker:
I'm also disgusted by the speeds people are claiming on this thread. Some are even proud of doubling the UK motorway speed limit !
Would it be more or less of a problem for you if such speeds took place on an autobahn where it was legal?
wwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooOOOOSH
Read it again when you've woken up!!!!!!!!!!!
Brian OReilly
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Brian OReilly:quote:
Would it be more or less of a problem for you if such speeds took place on an autobahn where it was legal?
wwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooOOOOSH
Read it again when you've woken up!!!!!!!!!!!
I know what was written but I'm trying to determine whether it's the speeds themselves or speeding that's the problem i.e. if one country has a 100mph motorway speed limit and another has a 70mph limit then 100mph in the 2nd country is illegal, but is it any more dangerous than doing 100mph in the 1st country?
Would someone like Mick be happy driving at 100mph on German autobahn while at the same time as expressing concern about the safety of someone doing the same in the UK?
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by NB
Entering this one a bit late,
a 176 mph
b M40 in Oxfordshire
c Toyota Supra
d no I wasn't caught,
looking back it wasn't a sensible thing to do, was it safe well it was very early in the morning and the motorway was empty. My car had just had some serious engine modifications made and I was keen to see what she was capable of!
Regards
NB
a 176 mph
b M40 in Oxfordshire
c Toyota Supra
d no I wasn't caught,
looking back it wasn't a sensible thing to do, was it safe well it was very early in the morning and the motorway was empty. My car had just had some serious engine modifications made and I was keen to see what she was capable of!
Regards
NB