Lottery Winnings

Let's face it the delicious Cherie Blair herself has asked how can he pay for his food & lodgings with no wonga ?


Fritz Von Camelotwillsue

Alex,

A question we asked ourselves today in the office. It is totally sickening to think that a person like this won but, this time, he broke no rules or laws. He was out on legal licence in the community, decided to play the game and won. I played and lost.

Morals - don't make me laugh about that one ! The Government are the big winner in the Lottery by virtue of the Gaming Tax and then all the subsequent tax revenue raised from the grant monies spent, winnings spent, tax on investment interest etc.

I think that this episode of democratic tyrany will be one of the tightest nails in this Government's coffin. It now appears that you can only do wrong if you are a member of the government.

What next ? Will it be illegal to fart ? Will they develop special roadside cameras to detect tummy turbulence and impose a fixed penalty ?

My sympathies go to the victims of this brute and their families and friends who now have to endure their nightmare being dragged to the surface again by the media.

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It may be unfortunate, ironic, bloody annoying or whatever that he won, but what possible moral or legal right can Tessa Jowell have to deny Iorworth Hoare his 7m?

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None that I can see, but it will play well with the Daily Mail/Sun reader.

It'd be interesting if Ronnie Biggs came up on the big numbers and bequethed the dosh to his son, or the Sally Army !



Fritz Von Busteredwardssoldflowersunderthearches


P.S. Drug money to date has been impounded, as well as other types of loot, this being after the event & if the Gov do help him spend it, it will create a very very real world dangerous precedent, and Mr Brown will not be getting anything like the revinue he used to from all sorts of places because nobody, even banks will not trust anybody anymore, if of course they ever did that is ? and bringing emotion and righteousness into business never got anybody anywhere either, ask BAE systems etc, innit.

P.S. I feel this is far more than a silly season story, its implications are widespread, when you hit peoples dosh they get very protective, it's obvious innit Tom.

IIRC something like the statute of limitations has run out for those who suffered at his hands to claim against him in the courts unless those in power change the law. Changes in the law made at the behest of pressure groups worthy or not yet holding sway in the court of the tablod press can not be good for the the law or indeed those wanting to be returned to power at the next general election.

Who else other than Lotto knew of his win?
Could he then take them (whoever it is) to court to recover any cash that may be taken from him as a result of all this fuss?

Roy

Fritz

I think winning 7m on the lottery is a little different to raking in wealth from illegal activities such as drugs, prostitution etc.

He played the same game as me. His past is different and his future certainly will be a little more cash-rich.

What if he now (or when released) bought a CDS3/552/3x500 etc...... would be be accepted as sensible ???????

What is really worrying is that us lot agree on something that is bloody obvious yet a government minister is clueless,and even as I write this our taxes are being spent to dig the stupid bugger (buggeress?) out of her hole.Cheers Tony

You think he'd have ticked the "No publicity" box.

Matthew

Roy

Camelot (or whatever they now call themselves) are legally bound by their own charter to keep winner's identities secret if they elect "no publicity". In fact, they don't want to know an anonymous winner as they cannot get any publicity.

It was reported that the winner (and I refuse to mention his name) was bragging about the win and it is therefore no surprise the media picked up on this.

Long-Time-Dead, yes you are correct and if he was bragging about his`winnings then he has indeed shot himself in the foot.

I feel slightly uneasy about Tony and tribe attempting to micro manage the existing laws by spinning, leaking or trying to intimidate those who look after the legal system. The judicary should always be seperate from politicians no matter whatever the politicians and press have to say on this subject.

A little background please for those of us on t'other side of the pond.

What was Iorworth Hoare accused / convicted of doing that makes the powers that be get their nickers in such a knot?

regards,

michael

I wonder at what level of offence would it be considered right to deny someone an operation if they were waiting for an organ for transplant and were a convicted criminal. The punishment for their original crime would then change to a death sentence.

mykel,

Don't know the whole story cos I've long since got bored with lottery-related stories but the guy's just won 7m squids and he's a convicted rapist which has raised all sorts of moral questions as to whether he deserves the dosh while his victims continue to be traumatised by what he did to them.

All perfect material for our wonderful tabloids, viz. Daily Mail, Express, Sun etc.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

JonR

Roy

Yep, I am scared now of being British. Our Government are now terrorising US !

Mykel

He is a CONVICTED rapist still serving his time. He was released on licence as condition of his internment and legally bought the ticket. The F*cker got luckier than us all put together.

Adam

Not an issue - no more than drug abusers. The NHS is there for all of us - apparently equally.

JonR

Hard as it may seem, I feel the b*stard does deserve to collect the money. I hope he spends it wisely - preferably on a high powered motorcycle that is magnetic to trees.

Maybe this all goes to prove that religion and belief in the "greatness of good" is a totally futile exercise when the apparent (IMO) scum of the earth can benefit from the luck we all dream of whilst the victims of this parasite are left to, yet again, recreate their belief in society.

If there is only one loophole that is moral, the interest gained on the winnings (or any investment apart from property or stocks already owned pre-conviction) should be 100% taxable. This would apply to ANY convicted criminal. I sadly see that any creation of this law would be contestable in court as an infringement of their "human rights".

It is totally irrellevant wether he gobbed off or not, please somebody honestly
convince me that eg: that that nasty little bugger who was recently sent down
for stabbing a schoolmate was not known to everybody in the manor ? even though
it must be kept secret because of his age (local papers are minefiellds of
information).
People are pissed off basically because unlike the nice Mum in
Belfast last week suffering from cancer who had just won £20,5 Millions´, this
individual is the exact opposite. His wife was interviewed earlier on Sky saying
she wanted no tainted dosh, but feels the victims should get what they can (all
the lawyers will be working for free no doubt ?) who's fucking kidding who here
? Blair & Missus etc, etc are all highly skilled legal animals in their own
right, so please which dream planet was the Government seperate from Law coming
from ?
My point re the loot from crime being impoonded was I feel linked to
impoonding this individual's (Legal) windfall in that the same Law will apply in
respect of taking it away from him, as we know the Law itself is ice cold, and
our Moral or righteous feelings toward it are irrellevant, as with my first
point of him mouthing it off, or it supposedly being kept secret, ticking boxes
in the real world are for daydreamers.

Fritz Von Haveanicedayy'hear

P.S. Courts and Politicians leak to their own agenda, and has long been the
case, is the case, and will always be the case. D-Notice or not, wisen up, and
next time vote with your feet.

Fritz

Reading between the lines (and you got to !) I agree absolutely.

He deserves nothing.

But rules are rules and we really should obey them. Or should we start selling skank on eBay ?

Vote with our feet..... which way?TonyThe Tosser or Howard The Even Bigger Tosser? Please don't mention the Liberals;those bastards have still to apologise for getting Thatcher into No.10.Cheers Tony

SNP !

Whilst in prison Archer, Jeffrey (FF 8282) uses his skill to writes a book about his life in prison. The sale of this book may provide him with an income.

Whilst in prison Iorworth Hoare uses his skill to pick a winning lotto number. This capital sum may provide him with an income.

Whilst in prison one of a thousand other prisoners uses his time to attend further education classes and gathers qualifications. These qualifications enable him to get a job that may provide him with an income.

Should any these three people be allowed to profit from being in prison?

Compare and contrast.

Roy

Archer wrote whilst IN prison and published after release. Nothing prevented him from doing so.

"HE" bought the ticket in freedom. Nothing prevented him from doing so.

"They" would gain employment in freedom. Nothing should prevent them from doing so.

None have actually benefited WHILST in prison.

I was under the impression that the government intends to introduce a law to prevent future convicts from winning lottery prizes? If so then this isn't quite the same thing as arbitrarily taking the money from the convict in question.

I must admit I'm more concerned about prisoners' right to vote rather than their right to win lottery prizes (which is not to say I have a strong view one way or another about the proposed new law).

As for the money, I think his wife is planning to sue him for a share and give it to his victims.

The ministers kneejerk reaction showed all the characterics of the politics of jealousy, ie "If I cannot have it then no one else can have it"

Old labour is closer than you think.

Derek

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I am away...whats the story?

Regards

Mike

Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.

I seem to remember reading that prisoners were prohibited from doing the football pools in these circumstances (i.e. when out on licence) but this was never extended to the lottery when that was introduced. So he did nothing wrong under the current law.

Could he have legally bet on horses/dogs etc.? I guess its the sheer size of his win that has made the headlines - if he had won £10 on the main draw would anyone have even known?

I just hope that when he is finally released that he never repeats his crime and does some good with the money - nobody needs that much to live a comfortable life.

The only thing that wrangles is that a rapist has got lucky and we think that a scumbag like that shouldn't have all the luck.
Yeah, it's not fair is it. That's life eh?!
It has nothing to do with whether he should be allowed it - there is no case why not.