Beckham

Posted by: Jay on 13 October 2004

I've been following the recent controversy re: Beckham.

If you haven't heard, he deliberately fouled another player in order to receive a yellow card. Having cracked a rib in a tackle with the same player not moments before he would sit his suspension out knowing that he would be injured anyway.

I found it astounding that he admitted this to the media the next day and then carried on to say that people wouldn't believe he was "smart enough" to do something like this.

OK. I'm not naive to believe that this doesn't happen every day in domestic or international football (in fact any other sport where money is involved, which basically means all sport!). But do you actually want this (extremely talented) player as the England captain and the main role model for football in this country?

What do you think?

Jay

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by NB

If he was smart enough to do it, he certainly wasn't clever in admitting it.

He should be removed as England captain and suspended as a player for bringing the game into dis-repute.

He is as big a liability as Tony Blair is for the Labour party.

Time to bring a more able player into his position.

Regards

NB

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by pingu

NB said

"He is as big a liability as Tony Blair is for the Labour party.

Time to bring a more able player into his position"

I agree, lets bring in John Prescott

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by NB

We could bring in a penguin then things would be more "black and white".

Regards

NB

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by NB

or we could bring in Phil Tufnell and have less "spin"

Regards

NB

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Richard AV

quote:
Originally posted by pingu:
NB said

"He is as big a liability as Tony Blair is for the Labour party.

Time to bring a more able player into his position"

I agree, lets bring in John Prescott

I assume that was a joke.

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by domfjbrown

Beckham's not smart - he's as thick as his wallet.

Personally, I could care less re his controversy though - foolsball just isn't my bag, baby.

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Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Bob McC

He's revealed, yet again, what a moronic tosser he truly is.

Bob

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Jay

This is what Mark Hughes had to say...(quoted from Soccernet)

quote:
Wales boss Mark Hughes, who revealed that the Welsh FA were unlikely to make a formal complaint, seemed to back up Butcher's observations.

'It surprises me that in the reality of a game and the hurly-burly of a game that you can think that clearly. Is it that easy to be that premeditated?' he wondered

Well if the captain can't think and play at the same time, then what the hell is he doing as captain!

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Rasher

It's very quaint to think that sport is still a "gentleman's game". It isn't. It's big, big business, and if you miss a chance to gain a tactical advanatage, then someone will be after you. "Sporting" behaviour isn't an option.
Remember when Senna took out Prost to win the championship - or Shumacher took out Hill.
Sport today isn't "Sport", it's the "Entertainment business".
Personally I don't like sport, especially football, but those that do and those that walk around Asda & Argos in football strips are responsible for making it the OK! magazine celeb type bollox that it now is, and nothing is going to change that now I'm afraid.

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by 7V

quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
It's very quaint to think that sport is still a "gentleman's game". It isn't. It's big, big business, and if you miss a chance to gain a tactical advanatage, then someone will be after you. "Sporting" behaviour isn't an option.
... Sport today isn't "Sport", it's the "Entertainment business".
... those that walk around Asda & Argos in football strips are responsible for making it the OK! magazine celeb type bollox that it now is ...

All too true Rasher,

But for those of us who don't read OK! or the celeb and media bollox and who just enjoy watching the game, particularly at the highest level, football will always be, to quote the great Pele, "The Beautiful Game" and there's nothing else to touch it.

Steve Margolis
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Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Robbie

But all the bollocks surrounding it makes it all harder to love the game.Maybe we must go back to the time when a team couldn't contract more then two foreigners in the team. That will result in lower salaries etc. and the hegemony of teams like ManU, Real Madrid and the likes would soon be over and the excitement returns.
I mean how many brits play for Arsenal ? It could well be Olympique Marseille !

Rob.

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Bhoyo

So why didn't Beckham simply indicate that he was in pain and needed to be substituted?

It's crap, and we all know it. He wanted to get out of the spotlight until the excitement dies down about the latest "kiss and tell" slapper.

Davie

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Martin D

Who's David Beckham?

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Jay

Who said anything about "David" Beckham? You're the first to mention a first name Martin

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by 7V

I think we missed him tonight.

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Martin D

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by MichaelC

He's brought the game into disrepute. He should be charged accordingly. He should no longer be captain of the England team - having shown the lack of required intelligence. He should be selected to play for the England team on merit -something Sven does not appear to consider.

End of thoughts on this subject

Mike

Posted on: 13 October 2004 by 7V

quote:
Originally posted by MichaelC:
He's brought the game into disrepute. He should be charged accordingly. He should no longer be captain of the England team - having shown the lack of required intelligence. He should be selected to play for the England team on merit -something Sven does not appear to consider.

End of thoughts on this subject

Mike,

That may be the end of your thoughts but as I disagree with just about everything you've said, it's not the end of mine.

He didn't bring the game into disrepute. He acted in a way that is (perhaps sadly) commonplace in today's game. His mistake was to have been so honest about it afterwards. As always with Beckham the whole issue has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

His intelligence may not be outstanding in an academic or conventional way, although his phenomenal worldwide commercial success certainly doesn't indicate a high degree of dumbness. On the football field his brain, vision and foresight are outstanding.

He plays for the England team on merit, as do Owen and the others. Clearly, Beckham gives something to the team that was not forthcoming from Jenas or Wright Phillips, on today's showing. Sven selects, rightly or wrongly, the team that he feels will give the result he wants. What he doesn't do is select a team because it's approved by the tabloids, pundits or the public. That is not his job.

Ok, now THAT'S the end of thoughts on this subject.

Steve M

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Nigel Cavendish

I'm not a lawyer but if someone says I battered this guy on purpose, is that not technically a criminal assault?

The police should take action blah, blah...

cheers

Nigel

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V

quote:
Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
I'm not a lawyer but if someone says I battered this guy on purpose, is that not technically a criminal assault?

The police should take action blah, blah...

I take it you didn't see the incident involved. To use the football term "handbags" would be overplaying it. Anyway, doesn't the 'batteree' have to initiate the action?

Steve

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Jay

quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
He didn't bring the game into disrepute.

So you mean apart from the fact that he admitted deliberately fouling a player to serve his own means? Oh, and yesterday he publicly apologising for bringing the game into disrepute?

quote:

He acted in a way that is (perhaps sadly) commonplace in today's game. His mistake was to have been so honest about it afterwards.

Yeah agreed. Ferrari 1-2 I say! In that order of course

quote:

As always with Beckham the whole issue has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

Usually yes, but in this case I don't think so. He is the captain, it's the year of fair play, he admits to being "smart enough" to foul a player to avoid a match man.

quote:

His intelligence may not be outstanding in an academic or conventional way, although his phenomenal worldwide commercial success certainly doesn't indicate a high degree of dumbness.

Dumb people succeed. Right place, right time, nice face, spice wife.......

quote:
On the football field his brain, vision and foresight are outstanding.

He is huge talent and deserves to be on the field for England. But captain?

OK. Now this seriously is the end

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Jay

quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
He didn't bring the game into disrepute.

So you mean apart from the fact that he admitted deliberately fouling a player to serve his own means? Oh, and yesterday publicly apologising for bringing the game into disrepute?

quote:

He acted in a way that is (perhaps sadly) commonplace in today's game. His mistake was to have been so honest about it afterwards.

Yeah agreed. Ferrari 1-2 I say! In that order of course

quote:

As always with Beckham the whole issue has been blown out of all proportion by the media.

Usually yes, but in this case I don't think so. He is the captain, it's the year of fair play, he admits to being "smart enough" to foul a player to avoid a match man.

quote:

His intelligence may not be outstanding in an academic or conventional way, although his phenomenal worldwide commercial success certainly doesn't indicate a high degree of dumbness.

Dumb people succeed. Right place, right time, nice face, spice wife.......

quote:
On the football field his brain, vision and foresight are outstanding.

He is huge talent and deserves to be on the field for England. But captain?

OK. Now this seriously is the end

J

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V

quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
OK. Now this seriously is the end

They thought it was all over - and then you said it all again.

Steve M

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Nigel Cavendish

quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
quote:
Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
I'm not a lawyer but if someone says I battered this guy on purpose, is that not technically a criminal assault?

The police should take action blah, blah...

I take it you didn't see the incident involved. To use the football term "handbags" would be overplaying it. Anyway, doesn't the 'batteree' have to initiate the action?

Steve

The assault does not have to severe and the use of a weapon (the handbag) would lead to a more serious charge, nor does there need to be a complaint from the victim to initiate action - otherwise very tricky where the victim is left comatose or dead.

cheers

Nigel

Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Jay

quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
OK. Now this seriously is the end

They thought it was all over - and then you said it all again.

Steve M

Thought it worth repeating Steve