Beckham
Posted by: Jay on 13 October 2004
I've been following the recent controversy re: Beckham.
If you haven't heard, he deliberately fouled another player in order to receive a yellow card. Having cracked a rib in a tackle with the same player not moments before he would sit his suspension out knowing that he would be injured anyway.
I found it astounding that he admitted this to the media the next day and then carried on to say that people wouldn't believe he was "smart enough" to do something like this.
OK. I'm not naive to believe that this doesn't happen every day in domestic or international football (in fact any other sport where money is involved, which basically means all sport!). But do you actually want this (extremely talented) player as the England captain and the main role model for football in this country?
What do you think?
Jay
If you haven't heard, he deliberately fouled another player in order to receive a yellow card. Having cracked a rib in a tackle with the same player not moments before he would sit his suspension out knowing that he would be injured anyway.
I found it astounding that he admitted this to the media the next day and then carried on to say that people wouldn't believe he was "smart enough" to do something like this.
OK. I'm not naive to believe that this doesn't happen every day in domestic or international football (in fact any other sport where money is involved, which basically means all sport!). But do you actually want this (extremely talented) player as the England captain and the main role model for football in this country?
What do you think?
Jay
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
... nor does there need to be a complaint from the victim to initiate action - otherwise very tricky where the victim is left comatose or dead.
Yes, that did occur to me. In this case I believe that the victim was left bemused. After the incident, both parties had to reapply their make-up.
Now seriously, Nigel, Jay. Can we call an end to the whole distasteful affair?
Steve Margolis
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Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Jay
quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
Now seriously, Nigel, Jay. Can we call an end to the whole distasteful affair?
I find that request rather offensive.
Not sure if you meant it Steve, but I started the tread to find out what other folks thought of the situ. If everyone's said what they need to say, then fine, but I don't think it's your call?
You're obviously more than welcome to contribute or not contribute as you see fit Like, normal, like?
J
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
I find that request rather offensive.
Blast it! Now, in view of the fact that you didn't use a smiley, I don't know whether you're being serious (or just very dry) or whether you thought that I was being serious (or just very dry) as I didn't use a smiley either.
Steve M
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Jay
quote:
Originally posted by 7V:quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
I find that request rather offensive.
Blast it! Now, in view of the fact that you didn't use a smiley, I don't know whether you're being serious (or just very dry) or whether you thought that I was being serious (or just very dry) as I didn't use a smiley either.
Steve M
I thought you'd appointed yourself as this afternoon's guest moderator?
I gather by the use of not 1, but 3 smilies under one's name indicates that this was in fact not the case. Bah, welcome home son
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by domfjbrown
quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
His intelligence may not be outstanding in an academic or conventional way, although his phenomenal worldwide commercial success certainly doesn't indicate a high degree of dumbness. On the football field his brain, vision and foresight are outstanding.
Sorry - I fail to see how kicking a ball around a pitch with another, what is it, 21 players can really be considered as intelligent.
Vastly overpaid and underexerted yes, intelligent, PUHLEASE.
Why ANYONE could call football the "beautiful game" is beyond me, unless seeing loads of pumped up morons who can't even see through honeytraps kicking a ball around can be considered beautiful. And that's not even thinking about the massive problems with violence between different team supporters - why, when most rugby players (and a lot of fans) are built like brick sh**houses, are there no real problems with rugby (compared to football)? Just what the HELL do (some of the)football fans have to prove???
To be fair though, at least "goldenballs" had the balls to admit what he'd done... SO you have to admire him for that, even if he IS a bit of a thickie.
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Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Bob McC
Dom seems to think Rugby fans don't cause trouble. Not what I experienced when a southern rugby team's Under 15s and their adult minders took over the bar at the Eurotunnel and proceeded to terrify everyone with their leering, letching and moronic singing, causing most others to take refuge in their cars.Of course being rugby union types it was just 'high jinks'.
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Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Patrick Dixon:quote:I think what you're saying Steve, is that the game now has so little repute, that even a cynical assault, and then bragging about it afterwards, couldn't take it any lower.
He didn't bring the game into disrepute. He acted in a way that is (perhaps sadly) commonplace in today's game.
Patrick,
I was watching a TV programme last night about Andrew Watson, a black, 'gentleman' footballer who played for the Scottish national side in the 1880s. One of the teams that Mr Watson played for was the Corinthians, a successful club comprised of wealthy young gentlemen who actually paid for the honour of playing.
Apparently, the sporting attributes of the Corinthians were such that they would refuse to defend if the opposing team was awarded a penalty and would deliberately kick the ball over the bar if they were awarded a penalty themselves.
Now, the advent of commercialism plus the sad fact that the game has been highjacked by damn foreigners means that this attitude is a thing of the past. Or is it ...
... Do you remember the penalty that Mr. Beckham took during Euro 2004?
Steve M
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by JeremyD
Since my interest in football is mostly confined to the World Cup I was not, until now, able to understood why people were so anti-Beckham. I assumed it was just a mixture of snobbery and envy.
I'm most disappointed to find I was wrong - it would be good to be able to think of the captain of our national team in our national game as an honourable person.
Let's hope he gets charged with assault...
I'm most disappointed to find I was wrong - it would be good to be able to think of the captain of our national team in our national game as an honourable person.
Let's hope he gets charged with assault...
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Patrick Dixon:quote:Steve,
... Do you remember the penalty that Mr. Beckham took during Euro 2004?
Surely you're not suggesting that he deliberately missed - because England had played so poorly and let the game slip away from them ....
Oh Patrick,
Of course not, I was joking. And before anyone says anything else, my comment: "the game has been highjacked by damn foreigners" was also a joke.
I thought it was all obvious. I guess not. Today seems to be my day to be misunderstood.
Ah well
Steve Margolis
defy convention - make music
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by matthewr
BEKUM IS WELL FIT AND ROX U LOOSERS
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by 7V after Azerbaijan v England:
I think we missed him tonight.
Not me, Maffew.
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by 7V
Ah, say no more, Patrick.
Posted on: 21 October 2004 by Jay
Posted on: 21 October 2004 by MichaelC
Perhaps the FA should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute?
Mike
Mike