which stand mount speakers?

Hey there,

I run a very similar set up, but have a CDX instead of the 3.5 with a 72/Hi and 140 all on three layers of FRAIM. The CDX and FRAIM were both big steps up. Speaker wise I run have a piar of standmount Pro-ac 1SCs. They need to be a decent distance from the wall, and it all sounded a bit shrill till I got the CDX.

BTW, presume you have pulled the phono boards from your 72 - makes a big difference.

David

Hang on a mo!

Put the FC on the preamplifier and put the hicap on the CD player! Make sure the 140 is powered off the Flatcap if you haven't already done so.

Drag the Intros away from the wall a bit. They're quite sensitive to positioning.
Also if you have a wooden floor put Philips head screws into the floor, then place the spikes of the speaker into them. makes a huge difference to the bass control.

Intros REALLY benefit from a good set up.
And David is right all the way. Get a Fraim!

joe90

Joe,

The Philips head screw idea is really interesting, but can you please tell me how you sold that idea to your wife? I ´m not 100% sure I´ll get the approval.

;-) Thomas

mystik

If looking for a pair of stand mounted speakers, I would definitely audition Royd RR3 and Neat Petites. I am sure you will be able to forget all about your deeply mourned B&W CDM1SE's and either of these will put a back on your face.

Jeroen

I have nait5, CD5, fc2 and I use B&W CDM1NTs which are really, really good speakers (and can be bought cheap now the 700 has come out)

-- woody

I'd second the Neat Petites and also suggest you try the Neat Critiques.

Another alternative would be the Totem Rainmaker which is a stunning little speaker. However, I agree with joe90. The intros may benefit from being a bit further away from the wall (say 4 - 6 inches). You'll find their weighty sound lightens up considerably if you do this.

Traditionally, Naim speakers sound lighter weight than most, (some would say balanced properly so I'm not sure if this is necessarily your issue with the Intros.

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Hey Thomas

How did I sell the idea to my wife??

Well. I didn't. It's MY FLOOR TOO! and she knows my music is really important to me, and increasingly to her too btw.

I don't have that expensive a floor and you can't see the holes thru the mat so what the hell?

Get hard and put her in her place!!

Totally in charge of all aspects of your life at all times!

Joe90

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Originally posted by joe90:
Get hard and put her in her place!!

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I´ll try the "get hard" thing and report back. :-)

Also, now I understand you better as you mention that you have a mat on top. I have a naked wooden floor so the screws will be very visible. Right now my Allaes are on Fraim chips.

:-) Thomas

Joe,

So you just got hard and then started to screw?

Sorry... :-)

Thomas, this thread will get 'pulled' if you don't 'knock it off'!

Actually I'd still go ahead with the screws even if I didn't have a mat.
I own the floor dammit!

The 'get hard' comment actually refers to something other than your 'gender indicator'.
It refers to a hardening of attitude.

However, I can understand your confusion.
You come from a land of harsh winters and warm saunas...

Joe90

Unbelievable you lot!!

What about my speakers

It's a minefield I really don't know what to get. My mate has offered Rogers LS3/5a's for £250. Wos reckon of that?

Sorry mystik

Rogers LS3/5as are neat wee speakers. But you won't get a more different sound from Intros.

I still reckon that you should:

1: Put the HC on the CD player
2: Put the FC on the preamp
3: set the Intros up properly

After all that's done and you give it a week or so, and you still hate the Intros then get rid of them.

I have Royds. They rule the universe AFAIC.

If you like B&Ws so much, then track down a pair!! Remember to learn from this experience and stop changing speakers until a CDX is nicely settled at your place.

Joe90

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Originally posted by Jack911:
I'd second the Neat Petites and also suggest you try the Neat Critiques.

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Sorry to butt in but I was curious about the Neat Petites. Could anyone advice me on the sonic differences between the various versions of the Petites? I saw a Mk 1 recently put up on sales.

I just pulled the phono boards. HELLO

Amazing, almost scary difference to be honest. I don't need the phono stage as my Project Debut is the phono version

I just picked up the latest What Hi-Fi. A stroke of luck as they are reviewing a few serious contenders. The Epos M5 at £350 gets a 5 star, Dynaudio Audience 42 gets 4 stars at £400m Quad 11L gets 5 stars at £379. The amazing looking Opera Mini gets 4 stars at £495 (a little bass light apparently but I love the look of them, anyone heard these?).

Mystik

Sorry I have no speaker advice (although my Royd Conistons I purchased decades ago are still serving me well in my study system), but I have to express my thanks to Joe90 for the underspike idea...

I smell a Saturday morning of screwing on the floor ahead, and my hope is that the pixie won't even notice once the speakers are on top of them (I can always temporarily hide the area with a tiny percentage of her shoe collection in any case).

I was planning to put my credos on some paving slabs or equivalent (not an idea that met with tentative pixie approval to be honest), if the wholly reversible screw idea works then I owe Joe a beer...

Cheers!

Rod

"I can always temporarily hide the area with a tiny percentage of her shoe collection in any case"

Loving it
EHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH

Big thanks to Joe90!

I tried the philip screws idea under my Credos and achieved an audible improvement. Although it's quite nice to "feel" the bass coming from the floor it was somehow mucky and blurred before. But now, although the foot-tapping potential is still there the control, as Joe put it, is greatly improved. Thanks a million - an 8p upgrade! Not massive, but significant, and the paving slabs idea had been vetoed. The floor is stripped Victorian and has been so heavily spiked and prodded in the past that the holes won't even be problem. Credo spikes (210 x 240mm is the spike-footprint btw) are sufficiently recessed from the cabinets not to be visible (the pixie was out)(shoe shopping)(probably) so I shall get away with it...

If you're in London, Joe I can honour the beer promise...

Cheers

Rod