The idiot son of an a**hole
Posted by: Bhoyo on 13 August 2004
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by Kevin-W
Nice one Davie!
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by ErikL
Alex- stop reminding us!
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by JonR
Seriously Ludwig, is the world doomed to another 4 years of Bush jr??
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by Mick P
Chaps
With you lot as enemies, Bush will walk it.
Long may you be given the opportunity to waste your freedom of speech.
Regards
Bush admiring Mick
PS He is second only to Maggie.
With you lot as enemies, Bush will walk it.
Long may you be given the opportunity to waste your freedom of speech.
Regards
Bush admiring Mick
PS He is second only to Maggie.
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by HTK
quote:
PS He is second only to Maggie.
Exactly!!!
Harry
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by David Sutton
Dear Mick,
Very pleasant to see you back on the Forum. It has needed some balance for ages.
More please.
David
Very pleasant to see you back on the Forum. It has needed some balance for ages.
More please.
David
Posted on: 13 August 2004 by ErikL
quote:
Originally posted by JonR:
Seriously Ludwig, is the world doomed to another 4 years of Bush jr??
No, he'll be assasinated within the first year.
PS- Nevermind the world, how 'bout the majority of those who'll vote in November?
Posted on: 14 August 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Mr Kery and Missus are probably one of the richest couples on earth !
Fritz Von Moorereadslotsofpapers
Fritz Von Moorereadslotsofpapers
Posted on: 14 August 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by Ludwig:quote:
Originally posted by JonR:
Seriously Ludwig, is the world doomed to another 4 years of Bush jr??
No, he'll be assasinated within the first year.
PS- Nevermind the world, how 'bout the majority of those who'll vote in November?
So the wishes of the majority will be negated by what happens in Florida again I s'pose??
Oh, and it may or may not have escaped your notice, but for the past 3 and bit years the world has indeed had to suffer the accession of Goerge W to the White House.
Posted on: 14 August 2004 by Kevin-W
Quote from David Sutton: Dear Mick,
Very pleasant to see you back on the Forum. It has needed some balance for ages.
More please.
David, if you insist on indulging Mick's silly behaviour, how do you expect him to grow out of it?
Kevin (Bobbie Gentry: Parchment Farm)
Very pleasant to see you back on the Forum. It has needed some balance for ages.
More please.
David, if you insist on indulging Mick's silly behaviour, how do you expect him to grow out of it?
Kevin (Bobbie Gentry: Parchment Farm)
Posted on: 14 August 2004 by Steve Toy
quote:
Bush admiring Mick
PS He is second only to Maggie.
Maggie was smart, Bush is as thick as pigshit and Al Quaeda's favourite glove puppet.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Mick P
Steve
Anyone, even if they are rich, does not become the worlds most powerful man if they are thick.
Do you remember Cyril Smith...MP for Rochdale. He came across as a jovial buffoon. In fact he was a scheming manipulative politian of the first order.
I knew him well and would not trust him as far as I could kick him.
Reagan was often considered "not that bright" but was a successful President.
You may not agree with the Iraqui war, but he went in and done what he said he would do. Also he handled the imediate aftermath of 9/11 well.
The American economy is bouyant and jobs are being created.
Kerry is our equivalent of Charles Kennedy, saying whatever pleases whatever audience on whatever day.
The American people are known for their common sense, Bush will be around for the next four years.
The snide anti Bush comments and pathetic little jokes issued by the under achieving pinko elements will only serve to help him.
Regards
Mick
Anyone, even if they are rich, does not become the worlds most powerful man if they are thick.
Do you remember Cyril Smith...MP for Rochdale. He came across as a jovial buffoon. In fact he was a scheming manipulative politian of the first order.
I knew him well and would not trust him as far as I could kick him.
Reagan was often considered "not that bright" but was a successful President.
You may not agree with the Iraqui war, but he went in and done what he said he would do. Also he handled the imediate aftermath of 9/11 well.
The American economy is bouyant and jobs are being created.
Kerry is our equivalent of Charles Kennedy, saying whatever pleases whatever audience on whatever day.
The American people are known for their common sense, Bush will be around for the next four years.
The snide anti Bush comments and pathetic little jokes issued by the under achieving pinko elements will only serve to help him.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by rodwsmith
Well, to my mind the above is wrong in just about everything it says, but I'm glad you said it:
The mental image of anyone trying to kick Cyril Smith any distance is almost as amusing as the actual image of George Bush, er, "handling" the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Whatever else can be said of Michael Moore's film, blatant camera trickery is not an accusation that has been levelled at it.
Who fancies playing "spot the irony" in Mick's defence of George Bush? I counted eleven...
The mental image of anyone trying to kick Cyril Smith any distance is almost as amusing as the actual image of George Bush, er, "handling" the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Whatever else can be said of Michael Moore's film, blatant camera trickery is not an accusation that has been levelled at it.
Who fancies playing "spot the irony" in Mick's defence of George Bush? I counted eleven...
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Mick P
Rod
I could not give a tinkers cuss about you spotting 11 points of irony in my posting.
What you should be doing is criticising Bush's policies, but you concentrate on taking the piss in an mild way.
That is just why Bush will probably be elected so you just carry on.
You are probably more effective than me in getting him re elected.
Regards
Mick
I could not give a tinkers cuss about you spotting 11 points of irony in my posting.
What you should be doing is criticising Bush's policies, but you concentrate on taking the piss in an mild way.
That is just why Bush will probably be elected so you just carry on.
You are probably more effective than me in getting him re elected.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Berlin Fritz
That's probably quite true my handsome !
Fritz Von Stuckinthemiddlewithyou
Fritz Von Stuckinthemiddlewithyou
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by herm
THE BIG FIZZLE
I don't think I can be called a pinko in any way. All I am is not too eager for the world to become embroiled in a global conflict, which is what both Bin Laden and Bush seem to be heading for.
Of course Bush in no way did what he said he would do. There is no freedom or democracy in Iraq now; of course the whole notion that you can bomb people into democracy is demented. However, Bush has tried to make the electorate believe Mission Iraq has been Accomplished, while obviously the casualty rate is still going up. More US troops died in July 2004 than in May 2004, and of course we have no clue how many Iraqis are being killed on a weekly basis. Apparently that's something we shouldn't care about.
BTW, Mick, there were two ostensible reasons for going into Iraq. Find and destroy WMD - none has been found. Fight terrorism and bring safety to the world. Well, it was a mistake to look for terrorists in Iraq, but as a consequence terrorism has become a very popular avocation and America and Western Europe have become markedly less safe. No one is in doubt there will be a major terrorist attack within the year.
So I'd say Bush has accomplished only one rather irrelevant thing - capturing Saddam. Perhaps you're happy with such empty symbolism.
The US economy is not doing too well, in fact. Job growth is poor - way below Bush's own projections - and the only growth is in low wage sectors. In other words it's getting harder and harder for Joe Blow to make a living.
Also by turning Clinton's surplus into a huge deficit in no time Bush has made it virtually impossible to do anything about job creation. There's just no space for discretionary spending.
I agree with you. A stupid remark like B.F.'s that Kerry and the Ketchup woman are hugely rich doesn't mean a thing. The Bushes are even richer.
And songs like the one in the clip above will only make it harder for Kerry to win. Sensible people don't want to vote for Bush perhaps, but neither do you want to be friends with people like the band on this clip.
Kerry looks increasingly like a man who wanted to win the nomination but not the elections. I'm very worried about this.
[This message was edited by herm on Sun 15 August 2004 at 13:05.]
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
You may not agree with the Iraqi war, but he went in and done what he said he would do. Also he handled the imediate aftermath of 9/11 well.
The American economy is bouyant and jobs are being created.
I don't think I can be called a pinko in any way. All I am is not too eager for the world to become embroiled in a global conflict, which is what both Bin Laden and Bush seem to be heading for.
Of course Bush in no way did what he said he would do. There is no freedom or democracy in Iraq now; of course the whole notion that you can bomb people into democracy is demented. However, Bush has tried to make the electorate believe Mission Iraq has been Accomplished, while obviously the casualty rate is still going up. More US troops died in July 2004 than in May 2004, and of course we have no clue how many Iraqis are being killed on a weekly basis. Apparently that's something we shouldn't care about.
BTW, Mick, there were two ostensible reasons for going into Iraq. Find and destroy WMD - none has been found. Fight terrorism and bring safety to the world. Well, it was a mistake to look for terrorists in Iraq, but as a consequence terrorism has become a very popular avocation and America and Western Europe have become markedly less safe. No one is in doubt there will be a major terrorist attack within the year.
So I'd say Bush has accomplished only one rather irrelevant thing - capturing Saddam. Perhaps you're happy with such empty symbolism.
The US economy is not doing too well, in fact. Job growth is poor - way below Bush's own projections - and the only growth is in low wage sectors. In other words it's getting harder and harder for Joe Blow to make a living.
Also by turning Clinton's surplus into a huge deficit in no time Bush has made it virtually impossible to do anything about job creation. There's just no space for discretionary spending.
quote:
The snide anti-Bush comments and pathetic little jokes issued by the under achieving pinko elements will only serve to help him.
I agree with you. A stupid remark like B.F.'s that Kerry and the Ketchup woman are hugely rich doesn't mean a thing. The Bushes are even richer.
And songs like the one in the clip above will only make it harder for Kerry to win. Sensible people don't want to vote for Bush perhaps, but neither do you want to be friends with people like the band on this clip.
Kerry looks increasingly like a man who wanted to win the nomination but not the elections. I'm very worried about this.
[This message was edited by herm on Sun 15 August 2004 at 13:05.]
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by JonR
Herm said:
"I'm very worried about this."
If you're referring to the (likely) outcome of the presidential election then that is precisely what I was implying earlier.
Mick, I'm afraid another aspect of you that hasn't changed is that you sadly seem to be living in a completely different world to the rest of us, as Herm has ably demonstrated in his last post.
Regards,
JonR
"I'm very worried about this."
If you're referring to the (likely) outcome of the presidential election then that is precisely what I was implying earlier.
Mick, I'm afraid another aspect of you that hasn't changed is that you sadly seem to be living in a completely different world to the rest of us, as Herm has ably demonstrated in his last post.
Regards,
JonR
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Mick P
You said
Mick, I'm afraid another aspect of you that hasn't changed is that you sadly seem to be living in a completely different world to the rest of us, as Herm has ably demonstrated in his last post.
Have you not noticed I am the one who generally supports the duly elected head of states such as Bush and Blair. That makes me the majority as far as I can see.
The chances are that both of them will be here in 12 months time, keeping me happy and upsetting you lot.
I quite like that.
Regards
Mick
Mick, I'm afraid another aspect of you that hasn't changed is that you sadly seem to be living in a completely different world to the rest of us, as Herm has ably demonstrated in his last post.
Have you not noticed I am the one who generally supports the duly elected head of states such as Bush and Blair. That makes me the majority as far as I can see.
The chances are that both of them will be here in 12 months time, keeping me happy and upsetting you lot.
I quite like that.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Mick P
I still find it incredulous that Kerry has got where he is. The man is just a totally weak turnoff.
He just seems to say something to please the person he is currently talking to and that sort of thing soon catches up with you.
I was in the States during June and the one statistic being quoted over and over again was that 160,000 jobs had been created during May. I admit that I do not know whether they were well or poorly paid jobs.
Also, nearly every American I spoke to, supported Bush.
Regards
Mick
He just seems to say something to please the person he is currently talking to and that sort of thing soon catches up with you.
I was in the States during June and the one statistic being quoted over and over again was that 160,000 jobs had been created during May. I admit that I do not know whether they were well or poorly paid jobs.
Also, nearly every American I spoke to, supported Bush.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by herm
Well, basically Kerry is pretty much nowhere of course. All he's doing is spend other people's money in order to get a job he's not going to get if things continue this way. Then he'll be another bloated has-been just like Gore. If you feel the way I do about where the Bush gang is taking the world (and I know you don't) it's close to immoral to be so bland and dithery as Kerry and his campaign has been looking all the time.
160.000 jobs created looks like a lot; but the US are a big place, and they don't mention the numbers of the jobs lost, people laid off, population growth etc etc. Job growth, and payroll growth is markedly below what Bush promised, and very much below Clinton's comparable numbers. Of course in recent times a democrat in the WH has always been a boost for the economy; they tend to steer closer to the middle.
I'm not really surprised most of the people you met in June were Republicans. I'm not saying June is a Republican month. I suspect you, like most people, prefer to meet like-minded folks - except of course on this forum. However, in reality the US electorate is split straight down the middle, and again the election will hinge on less than a million votes.
160.000 jobs created looks like a lot; but the US are a big place, and they don't mention the numbers of the jobs lost, people laid off, population growth etc etc. Job growth, and payroll growth is markedly below what Bush promised, and very much below Clinton's comparable numbers. Of course in recent times a democrat in the WH has always been a boost for the economy; they tend to steer closer to the middle.
I'm not really surprised most of the people you met in June were Republicans. I'm not saying June is a Republican month. I suspect you, like most people, prefer to meet like-minded folks - except of course on this forum. However, in reality the US electorate is split straight down the middle, and again the election will hinge on less than a million votes.
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Steve Toy
quote:
Also he handled the imediate aftermath of 9/11 well.
Bush pissed away a golden opportunity to capitalise on sympathy from the Islamic world. He chose instead to alienate Muslims even more and foster resentment towards the United States.
At least Kerry wants to try and mend a few fences and this is vital in our battle against terror.
Waging war on terror is like fucking for virginity.
As for Blair I don't trust him, he lies through his teeth just to buy time, he doesn't have the UK's interests at heart, and he doesn't have any respect for the principle of democracy or any other principles for that matter.
Kerry in the Whitehouse; Howard in Number 10.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by ErikL
Flip Flop
One could also talk about Bush being a flip-flopper, as he always gives in to pressure when his approval rating is on the downswing or to rally his core religious backers. It seems when he's asked about something the third or fourth time he predictably caves in.
Just a few items where he's completely changed his position- organizing a 9/11 commission, organizing a commission investigating the postwar Iraqi WMD situation, whether we found WMD in Iraq or not, Rice testifying before the 9/11 commission ("it's a matter of principle"), personal cooperation with the 9/11 commission, the federal gov't staying out of the gay marriage issue, whether incentives would be used for N Korea to disarm nukes, womens' right to choose an abortion, tapping into the SS surplus, power plant emission limits, nation building, campaign financing, etc. None of these were lightweight issues.
It goes on and on and on as it would with any bigtime politician is my point, so using "he's a flip flopper" as the main offensive against Kerry gets everyone nowhere. But it's all the Republicans can do.
One could also talk about Bush being a flip-flopper, as he always gives in to pressure when his approval rating is on the downswing or to rally his core religious backers. It seems when he's asked about something the third or fourth time he predictably caves in.
Just a few items where he's completely changed his position- organizing a 9/11 commission, organizing a commission investigating the postwar Iraqi WMD situation, whether we found WMD in Iraq or not, Rice testifying before the 9/11 commission ("it's a matter of principle"), personal cooperation with the 9/11 commission, the federal gov't staying out of the gay marriage issue, whether incentives would be used for N Korea to disarm nukes, womens' right to choose an abortion, tapping into the SS surplus, power plant emission limits, nation building, campaign financing, etc. None of these were lightweight issues.
It goes on and on and on as it would with any bigtime politician is my point, so using "he's a flip flopper" as the main offensive against Kerry gets everyone nowhere. But it's all the Republicans can do.
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by ErikL
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I was in the States during June and the one statistic being quoted over and over again was that 160,000 jobs had been created during May.
Well, had you traveled this month the one statistic being quoted over and over again would be that 36,000 jobs had been created during July (or approximately 1/6 the forecast).
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by ErikL
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I still find it incredulous that Kerry has got where he is. The man is just a totally weak turnoff.
Your opinion, of course but the alternative is a former coke snorting alcoholic born-again freak propped up in the greedy hands of daddy's neocon buddies and hardcore religious nuts. Most importantly he's the only person on the planet incompetent enough to crash a Segway:
Posted on: 15 August 2004 by Harvey
Your analysis of the achievements of Bush appears to eb based on what you'd like to see happen rather than on the facts. Herm has brilliantly debunked your claims. If you don't know the nature of jobs created then it underlines the pointlessness of your use of the statistic. IIRC the reason why so many people were talking about the jobs created was the fact that most of them were $6 hour temporoary jobs, meaning that they barely provide enough to survive so there's zip extra expenditure and so practically no benefit to the US economywhich has relied heavily on consumer expenditure.
So, big woop, who gives a rat's. I visit the US 4 or 5 times yearly and most everyone I speak to hates Bush and his administration for it's multiple failuresa at home and abroad and for turning global goodwill and support into an unprecedented level of global antipathy towards the US and it's people. Racists will have you believe that everyone they talk to really hates blacks, Chinese etc. As Herm explained, it's meaningless; you hear what you want to hear, from who you want to hear.
Shame one can't say the same of Swindon. Are you making this stuff up? Yeah, I remember after Florida, everyone saying "say what you like about the septics, they just seem to have soooo much common sense"!!!! America has as many people with common sense and those with little or none as every other country. I'm sure that both parties attract a fair proportion of both groups. Republican voters, as you would be in the US, tend to be those who would vote fr just aboutanyone, Hitler or the devil himself, that commits to lining their individual pockets irrespective of morals or ethics and at the expense of anyone and everyone else; prefereably those beneath them onthe social/income scale.
On that note, who are the
The billionaire Kerry or the mostly apparently well-to-do posters on this forum?
What majority?!!! Even if one disregards the wholesale disenfranchisement in Florida and other runners, Gore still received more votes from the electorate than Bush. Something like 24or 25% of the total electorate voted for Blair at the last election. I'd imagine a somewhat smaller vote if the electorate knew then what they know know about his poor choice of allies and judgement. So that's some majority and significantly dwarfed by the gap in your knowledge. As Jonr rightly said, a completely different planet.
Classic and predictably pathetic right-wing drivel.
quote:
Also, nearly every American I spoke to, supported Bush
So, big woop, who gives a rat's. I visit the US 4 or 5 times yearly and most everyone I speak to hates Bush and his administration for it's multiple failuresa at home and abroad and for turning global goodwill and support into an unprecedented level of global antipathy towards the US and it's people. Racists will have you believe that everyone they talk to really hates blacks, Chinese etc. As Herm explained, it's meaningless; you hear what you want to hear, from who you want to hear.
quote:
The American people are known for their common sense
Shame one can't say the same of Swindon. Are you making this stuff up? Yeah, I remember after Florida, everyone saying "say what you like about the septics, they just seem to have soooo much common sense"!!!! America has as many people with common sense and those with little or none as every other country. I'm sure that both parties attract a fair proportion of both groups. Republican voters, as you would be in the US, tend to be those who would vote fr just aboutanyone, Hitler or the devil himself, that commits to lining their individual pockets irrespective of morals or ethics and at the expense of anyone and everyone else; prefereably those beneath them onthe social/income scale.
On that note, who are the
quote:
under achieving pinko elements
The billionaire Kerry or the mostly apparently well-to-do posters on this forum?
quote:
Have you not noticed I am the one who generally supports the duly elected head of states such as Bush and Blair. That makes me the majority as far as I can see.
What majority?!!! Even if one disregards the wholesale disenfranchisement in Florida and other runners, Gore still received more votes from the electorate than Bush. Something like 24or 25% of the total electorate voted for Blair at the last election. I'd imagine a somewhat smaller vote if the electorate knew then what they know know about his poor choice of allies and judgement. So that's some majority and significantly dwarfed by the gap in your knowledge. As Jonr rightly said, a completely different planet.
Classic and predictably pathetic right-wing drivel.