Fox hunting

I think it should be banned. Although as compensation, we should allow The Toffs to hunt cats instead.

This is based on the simple observation that Foxes are cool, but cats are evil as cn be seen in this picture:



Matthew

It's sick & obscene. Anyone that gets pleasure from tormenting a denfenceless animal to its death, or supports it, requires psychiatric help.
I would love to see a Hollywood scenario....the fox is chased across the fields, through the town, turns a corner - the hounds follow to be confronted by a pack of thousands of foxes coming at them over the hill. The leader of the hunt is eventually dropped dead onto the gravel path of his country estate from the jaws of "Monster Fox" - as tall as a double decker bus!
"Ohhhh" his chinless wife cries "What awfully bad form".

I was against it until I saw the protesters in the House of Commons last night.

They really made me think about how unfair such a ban would be and the catastrophic nature of a ban on the livelihood and way of life of millions of humble people.

Its clear that the only way of reducing foxes, the scourge of the countryside, is to get a pack of dogs to chase them, following the hounds on horseback - and we all know that at least 30 people are required to follow dogs. Its also common knowledge that the foxes enjoy it and actually suffer no pain. Everybody knows that death is instantaneous and caused by saliva, and not by being ripped to shreds. Its not as if we could shoot the buggers or anything. It has to be hunting with dogs. There is no other possible approach.

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Regards

Mike

Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.

Well, this will encourage farmers to build better chicken sheds.

This will also end the evil practice of cubbing, hunting itself, and shooting the hounds when they are over-the-hill.

What concerns me is where these individuals will try and find their sick-jollies now.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
The Hi-Fi Doctor

I wonder how many of the hunters would like to get chased for hours then torn to pieces by a pack of hounds.........

I'm going to guess none.

Since fox hunting is a bad sport will we see the same attention paid to fishing?

Mike

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Since fox hunting is a bad sport will we see the same attention paid to fishing?

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Yes, toffs on horseback using dogs to hunt down fish is a bloody disgrace.

-- Ian

and the pain and stress in taking cattle and sheep to market and thence to the slaughter house

a ban on meat production in the UK cannot be too far away

Derek

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Toffs should be able to hunt. I’ve thought of two possible replacements for foxes/hares etc

1)Hunt down Chavs and rip their ridiculous Burberry caps off.

2)Using the same technological genius that is used at dog tracks, simply lay down an extended track through the countryside and let them chase a stuffed animal/chav instead.

Simple really

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Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
I think it should be banned. Although as compensation, we should allow The Toffs to hunt cats instead.

This is based on the simple observation that Foxes are cool, but cats are evil as cn be seen in this picture

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As a cat lover (not literally!) I think I'd say exactly what you said, but change "cat" to "chav".

I'm personally highly against fox hunting. Anyone who regularly runs down foxes with hounds should be forced to outrun rabid sabretooth tigers or VERY LARGE Dobermen and see how they like it.

As for what Tom said, how about using vermin like rapists and murderers? Other crims are probably curable, but you'd have to be the lowest of lowlife scum to commit either of the above murders, so deserve what you get. Of course, you'd have to have foolproof psychiatric evaluations and foolproof evidence first, so that could be tricky. Although in, say, Shipman's case, I think it's fair game.

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Hunting on horse back is not practiced in all parts of the UK yet foxes are still controlled successfully in all areas

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Hunting areas tend to be those that have more of a natural foxes habitat, like hedgerows and woods. Clearly Hunting isn't the most efficient way of controlling foxes, but farmers tend to allow this due to the extra income gained from the hunt. A hunting ban is likely to cause a plummet in the Fox population due to the implementation of far more efficient control mechanisms.

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Its not as if we could shoot the buggers or anything. It has to be hunting with dogs. There is no other possible approach.

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There are several other ways of controlling foxes, but don't think any of them are going to be less painful for the fox. Trapping and poison are likely to be the main methods employed and these are likely to be more painful as well as being indescriminent. Hunting with hounds only tends to catch older, less fit animals (those more likely to resort to attacking a farmers chickens and the like).

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Yes, toffs on horseback using dogs to hunt down fish is a bloody disgrace

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So what is it people are complaining about, Toffs??, People using Horses or Dogs?? Surely not, I though the complaint was about the potential distress of the fox. If that is the case then what is the argument for distressing fish in the name of Sport?

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I wonder how many of the hunters would like to get chased for hours then torn to pieces by a pack of hounds

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No I'd rather be caught in a man trap, or eat just enought poison to kill me after 10 hours, or be shot at distance by a 12 bore just enough so I bleed to death.

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So what is it people are complaing about, Toffs??,

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Well. Sometimes an opportunity comes along that is too good to resist
So Yes - that as well.

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Originally posted by Rasher:

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Originally posted by greeny:

So what is it people are complaing about, Toffs??,

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Well. Sometimes an opportunity comes along that is too good to resist
So Yes - that as well.

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The whole point here is that statments like that just show unfounded spiteful prejudice, when if you really think Fox hunting is bad, what the hell is whose doing it got to do with anything, Yet when anyone mentions it they seem unable to let it go without making similar comments.

Remember these same Toffs are the people that actually look after the majority of the countryside, maintaining the walls, hedges, fences rivers etc etc.

Yeah I know. Quite right. Just couldn't help myself.
Shall we start on Royalty now or save it for a little later?

At the risk of confirming all the hateful "Pinko" slurs thrown at me by Mr Parry over the years, I am going to say that to some extent I agree with George Monbiot and say that, yes, it really is a class issue:

"As an animal welfare issue, fox hunting comes in at about number 155. It probably ranks below the last of the great working class bloodsports, coarse fishing. It’s insignificant beside intensive pig farming, chicken keeping or even the rearing of pheasants for driven shoots. But as a class issue, it ranks behind private schooling at number two. This isn’t about animal welfare. It’s about human welfare. By taking on the hunt, our MPs are taking on those who ran the country for 800 years, and still run the countryside today. This class war began with the Norman conquest. It still needs to be fought"

See full article here.

Matthew

In a somewhat shocking u-turn, I've outed myself as Pro-hunting.

It seems to be a relatively simple argument which immediately becomes a war-ground because of political/class differences.

Does the fox population need to be controlled ?

Is ripping an animal apart barbaric ?

Is ripping an animal apart using hunting dogs safer and less barbaric than poisoning, trapping or shooting with the attendant risk of the animal escaping wounded, to die a slow death ?

All the other arguments are peripheral and irrelevant.

Brian OReilly

There was a certain comedy value about watching the pro-hunt mob at the front of the crowd getting their heads stoved by a bunch of bobbies in riot gear.. it is the most humane way of dealing with the problem :-)

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Originally posted by Brian OReilly:
In a somewhat shocking u-turn, I've outed myself as Pro-hunting.

It seems to be a relatively simple argument which immediately becomes a war-ground because of political/class differences.

Does the fox population need to be controlled ?

Is ripping an animal apart barbaric ?

Is ripping an animal apart using hunting dogs safer and less barbaric than poisoning, trapping or shooting with the attendant risk of the animal escaping wounded, to die a slow death ?

All the other arguments are peripheral and irrelevant.

Brian OReilly

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I agree it's really about society's propensity for official cruelty that's at issue, here in Berlin and surrounding areas during summer Rabies scares all foxes are wiped out pronto (especially the friendly ones) but humanely.

Brock the Badger

Matthew,

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I am going to say that to some extent I agree with George Monbiot and say that, yes, it really is a class issue:

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Maybe so, but you still have to be fcuked in the head to support or continue to allow what is nothing but an extremely cruel "sport" whether it's done by the masses or some silverspooned poncy wankers.

Joe

I'm in principle opposed to fox hunting due to its pointless cruelty and pleasure derived from watching an animal suffer.

"The unthinkable in pursuit of the uneatable."

However, I believe in democracy and the right to demonstrate.

The police were very heavy-handed yesterday injuring many innocent demonstrators as well as a few trouble-makers, with their truncheons and size-tens.

I wonder how far from no. 10 the order for officers to assault innocent protesters came from?

An investigation into police conduct should be undertaken and any officers found to be guilty of assault should be punished as common criminals. Ditto the individual(s) who gave the orders...



Regards,

Steve.

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Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
At the risk of confirming all the hateful "Pinko" slurs thrown at me by Mr Parry over the years, I am going to say that to some extent I agree with George Monbiot and say that, yes, it really is a class issue:
Matthew

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Yeah, OK, go on then. I have to admit, the idea of a bunch of toffs getting battonned by the police, and then having a very conspicuous manifestation of their toffness banned does make me smile*.

There. I've said it. Class war. Beautiful. Sure it reflects negatively on me, but fk it, I'm no angel.

Brian

*"fill me with absolute glee" might be a better choice of words.

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Originally posted by Joe Petrik:
...whether it's done by the masses or some silverspooned poncy wankers.

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There is no getting away from the fact that it is class linked.
I know of 2 families that are Country types, horses and hunting are what they do. I am not their type thank god, but I am aware that they are outwardly racist. OK, it's stereotypical easy target stuff, but it is a fact and it is not a surprise to me. It goes with the right wing terror-tory (sorry). It really does! It really really does!
That is my experience anyway.

I think you will find that more Foxes are killed by cars and rat poison in urban areas than by hunting. Said cars (not exactly the "same" cars) also rid us of some pesky cats but also unfortunately badgers as well.
Still don't see as much roadkill as we saw in Florida, even saw a "Guide to Floridian Roadkill" so you could find out what you had just flattened.
Loved the Aussie idea of hunting "you can use dynamite or just run over them" should try it on members of the hunt around here.

Howard

[This message was edited by BigH47 on Thu 16 September 2004 at 17:45.]