Fox hunting

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o which is the wrongest? Why ban the one yet continue with the other...

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Like the arguments for/against invading Iraq, jsut because we cannot do everthing all at the same time does not mean we should do nothing

I say let`s get foxhunting out of the way then we can give our undivided attention to those other areas (on which I broadly agree) I fear, however, that the commercial interests involved may make that particular nut more difficult to crack

Laurie S

Yes, Fox Hunting, most definately Britain's "Groudhog Day"

"What did he do/has he done that so riled you?"

Occupied valuable space in my daily newspaper with his spectacularly bad column. And general cuntishness.

Matthew

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The Commons has consistently voted in favour of a ban (large majorities, too). Why can't these oafs accept this

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Only recently. Why couldn't the oafs accept the votes (prior to Labour being in office) that were for not banning Fox hunting.

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Yes, Fox Hunting, most definately Britain's "Groudhog Day"

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Note hanging on the entrance door to house of Lords "Gone Hunting".

Note hanging on the entrance door to house of Commons "Hunting Gone", innit.


Nicked from guess where ?

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Originally posted by Kevin-W:
What this curious bunch of social climbers, old ladies, inbreds, deranged right-wingers, whingeing farmers, cap-doffing lower order types and upper-class cretins knows about "justice" and "freedom" is completely beyond me. out.

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According to a letter from 'Sophie' in my local paper the demonstration consisted of 'people of all social classes and races'. That's funny - maybe my TV was in white and white?

Regards

Stephen

[This message was edited by Stephen Bennett on Fri 17 September 2004 at 16:47.]

Why is it the anti have to sink to insults and slander to try and get across their argument rather than using reasoned logic

Kevin-W sounded as if he was about explode - perhaps an anger management course would be appropriate for him.

Derek

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Derek

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Why is it the anti have to sink to insults and slander to try and get across their argument rather than using reasoned logic

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Here Here. Well said, Derek

I often encounter this problem......as I am sure you are aware in some of the more contentious threads I have been involved in over recent months

Laurie S

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Originally posted by Tom Alves:

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Yes, Fox Hunting, most definately Britain's "Groudhog Day"

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Nah. England's! Scotland outlawed it last year.

Tom
Actively enjoying it all

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Fair point Our Tom, I was half expecting young mensa mickey to pull me up in a private mail, but you beat him to it old son.

G.G. Of Legaliseknuckleprizefightinfortoffs

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Originally posted by greeny:


Quite true, but noone confuse themselves that this is an animal rights issue.

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But it is an issue about cruelty to animals. I can hardly agree that any animal has "rights": they have no responsibility, so how can they have rights - votes for chimps?

But it is clear to me that hunting with hounds is simply cruel. Any pretense that it is otherwise is an insult to the intelligence. And as its cruel, I am against it.


Regards

Mike

Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Why is it the anti have to sink to insults and slander to try and get across their argument rather than using reasoned logic

Kevin-W sounded as if he was about explode - perhaps an anger management course would be appropriate for him.

Derek

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Derek, no insults and no slander - just good ol' observation, plain and simple. In the past, in the execution of my duties as a scribbler, I've had the pleasure(?) of encountering the pro-hunting lobby up close. There were some nice old ladies, a delightful thirty-something named Antonia, and one terribly good egg who just seemed to like dressing up, but the rest of them were indeed a "curious bunch of social climbers, old ladies, inbreds, deranged right-wingers, whingeing farmers, cap-doffing lower order types and upper-class cretins".

Your interpretation of the tone of my post was a little puzzling. Sounding as if was about to explode with anger? Are you sure?

Kevin (Any Questions, BBC Radio 4)

It's that time of the month again already, phew how time flies !

Graham George Sponsered By Glacier's & Vixen

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Originally posted by Laurie Saunders:
Derek

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Why is it the anti have to sink to insults and slander to try and get across their argument rather than using reasoned logic

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Here Here. Well said, Derek

I often encounter this problem......as I am sure you are aware in some of the more contentious threads I have been involved in over recent months

Laurie S

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Derek/laurie,

applying my counsellor skills, I have to say that if anything, K-W's post was too kind to the pro-hunt faction. I've been dipping in and out of a couple of threads elsewhere, which have stretched to over 20 pages each, and the pro-hunt lobby have, in a highly charged debate, (imho) completely failed to present a coherent argument. No sympathy.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I really wish there was an agreed way of spelling whiskey or whisky.

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There is, as my compatriot explained. Now let this Scotsman help to further your education: There's also an agreed way of spelling "independence".

Regards,
Davie

As I've already stated, I'm opposed to fox hunting with dogs and I always have been.

However, the pro-hunters have the right to demonstrate without being beaten across the head by Blair's henchmen in police uniforms, even if their reasoning is poor, their motives questionable, and their socio-economic backgrounds contradictory.

When Blair learns that the end really doesn't justify the means he may then get my vote.



Regards,

Steve.

Do you ever stop waffling. Your drivel is guaranteed to get peoples backs up just like the recent tactics of the pro hunting lobby.

On a personal level I believe it is wrong to ban fox hunting but we live in a democracy and you have to prove to the satisfaction of the electorate / HMG that hunting is benificial. The hunting lobby failed to do that.

The idiots who tried to pull down the barricades in front of Parliament acted as thuggishly as members of the Animal Rights movement and deserved to be bashed over their heads. They were buffoons who did their cause no good at all. They played straight into the hands of the anti's.

The Country Alliance should have continued the good work such as the Hyde Park rally which converted a lot of ambivalent people over to their side. That was a major PR success.

Unfortunately, the person who organised the rally, left to do other things and the old stance of "we countryfolk know better than you townies what is good for the fox" continued and the advantage was lost.

Those idiots who had their heads bashed by the police should have been made to pay for any damage done to the batons. They acted like dipsticks, they lost their cause because they were dipsticks and they attract the waffling sympathy of dipsticks.

Hunting is about to die, accept it and turn to something else to waffle about.

Regards

Mick

Do you have high blood pressure Mick?
I hope not, but it might be worth getting it checked. You always sound so angry.

Last checked about 18 months ago.

It was actually low for my age. (78/105 from memory)

Thanks for your concern.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Steven Toy:
However, the pro-hunters have the right to demonstrate without being beaten across the head by Blair's henchmen in police uniforms

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The filth have always done this, and worse, to demonstrators. One of the only edifying things about the whole demonstration was the sight of Daily Mail readers experiencing what anyone even vaguely on the left has long known to be the norm.

-- Ian

I'll second that, though on the right as well, innit !

Kevin - your description of the pro hunt lobby - is not far diffrent from a general description of the UK population as a whole apart from the political tendency

My summary of the UK population is a group of people driven by an attitude that says " If I cannot have or understand something then nobody should have the item, knowledge or freedom regardless of whether I would want it in the first place".

A race of envy driven losers that desire to eliminate diversity and personal freedom.

Derek

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Brian

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Derek/laurie,

applying my counsellor skills, I have to say that if anything, K-W's post was too kind to the pro-hunt faction. I've been dipping in and out of a couple of threads elsewhere, which have stretched to over 20 pages each, and the pro-hunt lobby have, in a highly charged debate, (imho) completely failed to present a coherent argument. No sympathy.

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I was was not referring to Kevin`s post specifically, but agreeing with the GENERAL point that some folk often stoop to personal abuse in an attempt to make their point of view appear more valid

On the issue of foxhunting, I agree that the case in favour of it has not been made

Laurie S

Whether a case has been made -
The antis are motivated by class - but claim it is a cruelty issue

The pros are driven by a basic rights issue or Freedom of the Individual/basic human rights
but claim it is a country side management issue.

AS the two parties cannot agree what the dispute is about there can not be a satisfactory solution to this problem and the riots will continue.

So lets close the thread now and go on about something that we can get closure on <g> Mana vs Fraim for example

Derek

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Originally posted by sideshowbob:
The filth have always done this, and worse, to demonstrators. One of the only edifying things about the whole demonstration was the sight of Daily Mail readers experiencing what anyone even vaguely on the left has long known to be the norm.
-- Ian

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My thoughts exactly. It's nice to see a few hoorays getting the Scargil treatment - evens it out a little bit.

Cheers

Harry

Of course....the police were, as usual, completely unprepared, nor were they willing to accept the possibility that their lines might be broken by a bunch of yobs. So, IMO, they panicked. Ergo blood-curdling scenes of excessive violence.