windows xp

Posted by: ken c on 19 September 2004

my daughter bought an hp zt3000 notebook sometime ago. nice pc, but a bit frustrating with the problems we have been having with XP Home.

the pc came with a security update which we were advised to install before logging on to the net, for obvious reasons. we were also advised to install windows updates, which we did -- this was the beginning of a long headache. you see, the windows updater kept telling us that there are some updates available, but it turns out there were the same updates being installed over and over again (could see this from control panel add/remove programs). we also tried to install Norton AV, but this introduced its own problems --- basically everytime i openned it to set it to do live updates automatically, the Norton window would simply close down.

OK, i thought, better wait for SP2 on CD and try again. when this came, couldnt install it --- whenever i tried, the installation would simply abort at various places without any explanation.

anyone had any of these or similar problems with XP home? how did you get around them?

many thanks...

enjoy

ken
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by David Stewart
Phew! - well that's all over then - what a relief Roll Eyes
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by David Stewart:
Phew! - well that's all over then - what a relief Roll Eyes


Seconded.
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Matthew

Good man, well done.

Not enough people have the cojones to apologise.

Regards

Mike

Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by JonR
Yes indeed.

Matthew, after the excesses of the previous umpteen pages of arguments (!) your last post was unexpectedly contrite and therefore to be applauded.

I wonder if Messrs Hughes and Patterson will follow suit....?

Regards,

JonR
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by pingu
QOTT nomination

Mike Hughes for:

"They do indeed have vulnerable systems but that also illustrates that passwords are not necessarily a solution. User training should be at least as high a priority. Thus Phil's advice about user behaviour is probably the most relevant on this thread. Interestingly, outside auditors with 30 years experience looked at the network in question and identified weak passwords as an issue but the enablement of F&PS on hosts that did neither was graded two levels higher as a security risk and requiring of an immediate network reconfiguration. Still, you always know better.

Your advice on passwords is excellent but I wonder if it goes far enough. The methodology you describe is well known in IT and other circles and generally very sound but there needs to be more emphasis on the fact that substituting numbers for letters in itself doesn't provide a secure password. Any logic basis for devising passwords is potentially vulnerable. Actually, it's probably better to say that, on a network, any attempt to leave password creation solely to users without adequate policies, introduces significant potential vulnerabilities.

Ideally, I like to memorise mine but I have a friend who has been able to show me how to hack all of my passwords. .The one that took longest to hack using various software was the one that had no connection to me personally; was randomly generated and took me about three days to memorise. That was a pain but it's been worth it."

This is absolutely the most sense written in this thread, so far.
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by Mike Hughes
Pingu,

You'll have to forgive my ignorance. What does QOTT mean?

JonR et al,

I am also happy to joining Matthew and Cliff in offering sincere apologies to all who have contributed, read and otherwise been entertained/bored rigid and so on. Guys, it's been emotional!!!

Mike
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by JonR
Mike,

Thanks.

Regards,

JonR
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by pingu
Mike

QOTT

Quote of the thread

Kind of an homage to Matthew. Of course he would have said

Q0TT

cj

W.1.R.1.B.N.T.B.A.C.

pint of Sam Smiths to the man that guesses this one.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Mike Hughes
So no pint for a QOTT then?

Sigh!!! All that work for nowt!!!

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by pingu
only if you can decrypt the password (!)
Posted on: 05 October 2004 by Mike Hughes
W.1.R.1.B.N.T.B.A.C.

Come on then Pingu. Neither myself, Cliff or Matthew have stepped forward on this one.

What does it mean?