Will you be buying Live Aid on DVD ?
Posted by: long-time-dead on 15 November 2004
Well ?
I stayed up all the day, videotaped it all and longed for the day I could buy it "properly".
I have also made the decision to send the purchase cost to the charity as well to ensure an additional benefit other than the VAT "break".
20 years on and the suffering still continues........ we are lucky people.
I stayed up all the day, videotaped it all and longed for the day I could buy it "properly".
I have also made the decision to send the purchase cost to the charity as well to ensure an additional benefit other than the VAT "break".
20 years on and the suffering still continues........ we are lucky people.
Posted on: 15 November 2004 by Steve Bull
A worthy, I'll probably follow you on that one.
FWIW, last year I didn't send out any Xmas cards. Instead I made a donation to www.wateraid.org.uk - I figured they could use the money better than people could use another Christmas card to sit on the mantlepiece and be thrown away/recycled in January.
Just let people know what you've done so (a) they don't think you're a tightarse; (b) they may be encouraged to do the same.
Steve.
It's a grand old team to play for...
FWIW, last year I didn't send out any Xmas cards. Instead I made a donation to www.wateraid.org.uk - I figured they could use the money better than people could use another Christmas card to sit on the mantlepiece and be thrown away/recycled in January.
Just let people know what you've done so (a) they don't think you're a tightarse; (b) they may be encouraged to do the same.
Steve.
It's a grand old team to play for...
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by Rasher
Is the Live Aid DVD the full event, or edited highlights?
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by TomK
It's edited although it's still over 9 hours long. Led Zep don't appear and a few performances are shortened. The official reason for Zep is that they don't like to appear on compilations but I think it's more likely that it's because they were really rotten as far as I remember.
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by Richard S
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Originally posted by TomK:
It's edited although it's still over 9 hours long. Led Zep don't appear and a few performances are shortened. The official reason for Zep is that they don't like to appear on compilations but I think it's more likely that it's because they were really rotten as far as I remember.
According to Word magazine this month Page and Plant felt their appearance did the Zep catalogue no favours. Largely as the band were unrehearsed. Robert Plant always had a critical view of his own performances and once won an injunction to stop The Tube broadcasting a studio set of solo work. They declined to appear on this DVD, therefore.
On a happier note they have apparently offered the royalties on the next Led Zep DVD, which let's face it, will sell by the shedload.
regards
Richard S
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by TomK
That's good to hear about the royalties Richard as I didn't think they did themselves any favours at first by declining to appear.
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by Andy Kirby
With Phil Collins on Drums after that Concord flight who can blame them???
From the BBC web site
"Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and John Paul Jones are in absolute full support of the fundraising project for the people of Sudan."
"However, Jimmy, Robert and John Paul found that both the sound and general reproduction of their performance at Live Aid Philadelphia was sub-standard.
"To show their ongoing support Jimmy and Robert have therefore pledged proceeds from their forthcoming Page and Plant DVD release to the campaign.
"John Paul Jones will be donating the proceeds of his current US tour with Mutual Admiration Society to the project."
Fair enough I say...
Regards
Andy
From the BBC web site
"Jimmy Page, Robert Plant and John Paul Jones are in absolute full support of the fundraising project for the people of Sudan."
"However, Jimmy, Robert and John Paul found that both the sound and general reproduction of their performance at Live Aid Philadelphia was sub-standard.
"To show their ongoing support Jimmy and Robert have therefore pledged proceeds from their forthcoming Page and Plant DVD release to the campaign.
"John Paul Jones will be donating the proceeds of his current US tour with Mutual Admiration Society to the project."
Fair enough I say...
Regards
Andy
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by JohanR
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I have also made the decision to send the purchase cost to the charity as well to ensure an additional benefit other than the VAT "break".
I'm happily sending my money to charity if that means I do NOT have to endure it again. This thread made me also remember the horrible "Maraton Rock" things from either the Lorelei cliff or Westfalenhalle in Dortmund.
One good thing with rock turning low key is that these mamuth things are gone!
JohanR
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by Nime
Would it be terribly crass to suggest that there is a certain irony in wealthy pop stars asking the public for yet more funds?
I could never quite get my head round the idea that pop stars are actually worthy of wealth. Like that buffoon who had Harrods open specially so his friends could go on a shopping spree. Now let me think....who actually paid for this little spree? The buffoon? Um no...best out of three then?
Nime
(Checking the fit of his moth-eaten scrooge outfit in good time for (yet another) xmas.
I could never quite get my head round the idea that pop stars are actually worthy of wealth. Like that buffoon who had Harrods open specially so his friends could go on a shopping spree. Now let me think....who actually paid for this little spree? The buffoon? Um no...best out of three then?
Nime
(Checking the fit of his moth-eaten scrooge outfit in good time for (yet another) xmas.
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by kj burrell
On a similarly grumpy note: Do we have to hear "Do They Know" ect again?
1) Its awful: I think it's a damning comment on society that we have to buy something in order to give money to charity. Surely 5% of royalties or a 5% surcharge on all cds from all artist in December would more than match this.
2) I can't see a huge level of altruism in the venture - the reports of squabbles over who sang which line are very revealing
3) Africa isn't a Christian continent. Raising money for a predonimantly muslim nation with a song called Do They Know Its Christmas always struck me as eurocentric. I always hoped a group of jewish bands would record Do They Know Its Yom Kipper!
What is happening in Africa, or Iraq for that matter, is horrible. We have a moral duty as humans to help rather than ignore these tragedies. Band Aid does raise awareness but it doesn't have to be linked to more ego boosting dirges.
As for the DVD: they should have the decency to erase Queen's dreadful and inappropriate chest beating version of "We are The Champions" and the use of The Cars song - "who's going to drive you home tonight" a song about cars for people dying of hunger? Come on. How on earth does US rock angst get selected as a soundtrack to people dying of hunger. Crass isn't the word for it.
We will do what we did last time: make a donation from our family and sponsor a child. If everyone did this rather than buying the record....
OK. Shoot me down for this. First up......
Kevin
1) Its awful: I think it's a damning comment on society that we have to buy something in order to give money to charity. Surely 5% of royalties or a 5% surcharge on all cds from all artist in December would more than match this.
2) I can't see a huge level of altruism in the venture - the reports of squabbles over who sang which line are very revealing
3) Africa isn't a Christian continent. Raising money for a predonimantly muslim nation with a song called Do They Know Its Christmas always struck me as eurocentric. I always hoped a group of jewish bands would record Do They Know Its Yom Kipper!
What is happening in Africa, or Iraq for that matter, is horrible. We have a moral duty as humans to help rather than ignore these tragedies. Band Aid does raise awareness but it doesn't have to be linked to more ego boosting dirges.
As for the DVD: they should have the decency to erase Queen's dreadful and inappropriate chest beating version of "We are The Champions" and the use of The Cars song - "who's going to drive you home tonight" a song about cars for people dying of hunger? Come on. How on earth does US rock angst get selected as a soundtrack to people dying of hunger. Crass isn't the word for it.
We will do what we did last time: make a donation from our family and sponsor a child. If everyone did this rather than buying the record....
OK. Shoot me down for this. First up......
Kevin
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by Pete
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Originally posted by kj burrell:
On a similarly grumpy note: Do we have to hear "Do They Know" ect again?
Well, technically no, but if it acts as a useful reminder then that's a Good Thing. And it isn't "We Are The World", so count your blessings there!
quote:
1) Its awful: I think it's a damning comment on society that we have to buy something in order to give money to charity.
We don't, there's nothing to stop you donating anything you want to a charity any time. Set upa standing order to e.g. Oxfam and put useful money where it's more needed without buying anything.
However, the fact is that many (most?) people need an extra push to give what is theirs to someone else. So people do sponsored walks, sit in baths of custard and the like, when the truth is if it's a worthy cause then this shouldn't be necessary, but it works so why knock it?
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2) I can't see a huge level of altruism in the venture - the reports of squabbles over who sang which line are very revealing
It's a win/win situation. Some awareness is raised, some money is raised, some people are fed and some people that thrive on publicity get some publicity. Just becuase the "stars" are getting something they want and need doesn't undermine the awareness, money and food for those benefitting, and if you'd sooner those positives didn't happen just because some folk are more concerned about their public profile than the starving then that strikes me as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
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3) Africa isn't a Christian continent. Raising money for a predonimantly muslim nation with a song called Do They Know Its Christmas always struck me as eurocentric.
DTKICT was written in a hurry as a tool to do a job, a job at which it succeeded. It's being used again for it's intrinsic iconic value which probably gives it a useful edge. In cases like this the end is more important than the means, so a case of Get Over It, I think...
quote:
What is happening in Africa, or Iraq for that matter, is horrible. We have a moral duty as humans to help rather than ignore these tragedies. Band Aid does raise awareness but it doesn't have to be linked to more ego boosting dirges.
But if it's more effective if it does, why is that a problem of anything like the same order of magnitude as someone dying or growing up in poverty? Again, "Get Over It!"
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As for the DVD: they should have the decency to erase Queen's dreadful and inappropriate chest beating version of "We are The Champions" and the use of The Cars song - "who's going to drive you home tonight" a song about cars for people dying of hunger? Come on. How on earth does US rock angst get selected as a soundtrack to people dying of hunger. Crass isn't the word for it.
To quote Sir Bob on the day, "Just give us your fucking money!". As for Queen, they had one of the better sets for the occasion as it unfolded (which right there and then was a rock and pop music show), and "Drive" was just another case of a quickly grabbed tool for the job.
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We will do what we did last time: make a donation from our family and sponsor a child. If everyone did this rather than buying the record....
Good for you, I say. I won't do anything extra as I already specify monthly standing orders to Oxfam for this sort of work, and many of this year's Christmas presents will be things like goats and chickens (see http://www.oxfamunwrapped.com/). But lots of people do need some extra spur, and if that spur is having a record they can play and think "I did something" then so be it. It isn't any worse than having to run 10 Km before anyone will give you money for a good cause.
quote:
OK. Shoot me down for this. First up......
Bah Humbug. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and £1 for a fairer world is better than £10 that might have been raised, but wasn't, without resorting to things like Band Aid 20.
Pete.
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by kj burrell
Pete,
you're right.
On all accounts.
Except Queen ( who, for me, are the worst band ever!) (really!!)
It still gets under my skin though, even though is a good thing in a flawed world.
And thanks for the Oxfam link. I wasn't aware of this but will use it this year. A wonderful idea.
Kevin
you're right.
On all accounts.
Except Queen ( who, for me, are the worst band ever!) (really!!)
It still gets under my skin though, even though is a good thing in a flawed world.
And thanks for the Oxfam link. I wasn't aware of this but will use it this year. A wonderful idea.
Kevin
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by Pete
As regards Queen, at the time I was rather miffed with them for having gone from a band I'd really liked to one that seemed to be turning out formulaic trash. But watching their Live Aid set on the day I had to acknowledge that they had addressed how to play a 20 minute set to that particular audience better than anyone else. It was the right day for bombastic crowd pleasing with a side order of self congratulation, and that's just what they did, in spades.
Pete.
Pete.
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by Nick_S
Thanks for the Oxfam Unwrapped link (a nice idea). This is the site for those buying from Euroland:
http://www.oxfamirelandunwrapped.com/
Nick
http://www.oxfamirelandunwrapped.com/
Nick
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by greeny
quote:
I could never quite get my head round the idea that pop stars are actually worthy of wealth
What you mean U make a record that sells 10 million copies and U don't think the Star deserves any money!!!?
quote:
Except Queen ( who, for me, are the worst band ever!) (really!!)
How wrong can U be, I think you'll find they are the best band ever, proved incontrovertibly by them winning the 70's nomination to the Music hall of Fame
Posted on: 17 November 2004 by long-time-dead
Kevin
You are right - Africa is a muslim nation but there are pockets of christianity and many missionary schemes that preach their own "spin" on the religion. I live just a few miles from Blantyre, the home of David Livingston - one of the most prolific missionaries to have worked in Africa.
Not wishing to make undue comparisions or decry any religious faith, the aid effort championed by SBG has saved countless lives and also allowed for the basics of society to be formed so that SOME African people can have a better existence and a chance at some form of longevity. I believe SBG has managed to do this without religious involvement.
The use of Christmas was a great spin as it was a reminder of the financial spending a lot of us make without considering the plight of others.
In 1985, my entire attitude towards charity changed as a result of the Live Aid concert. I saw that lives could be bettered.
Buying the DVD is a re-running of that day for me and my donation will also provide some additional benefit.
For me, it's a win-win situation.
FWIW - the new version is totally pointless. The original should have been re-released IMO.
You are right - Africa is a muslim nation but there are pockets of christianity and many missionary schemes that preach their own "spin" on the religion. I live just a few miles from Blantyre, the home of David Livingston - one of the most prolific missionaries to have worked in Africa.
Not wishing to make undue comparisions or decry any religious faith, the aid effort championed by SBG has saved countless lives and also allowed for the basics of society to be formed so that SOME African people can have a better existence and a chance at some form of longevity. I believe SBG has managed to do this without religious involvement.
The use of Christmas was a great spin as it was a reminder of the financial spending a lot of us make without considering the plight of others.
In 1985, my entire attitude towards charity changed as a result of the Live Aid concert. I saw that lives could be bettered.
Buying the DVD is a re-running of that day for me and my donation will also provide some additional benefit.
For me, it's a win-win situation.
FWIW - the new version is totally pointless. The original should have been re-released IMO.
Posted on: 18 November 2004 by Nick_S
Long-Time-Dead, Kevin
I seem to recall that Live Aid was held to raise money for victims of the famine in Ethiopia.
Ethiopia has one of the oldest Orthodox Christian traditions in the world (it was declared the state religion by King Ezana of Ethiopia around 350 AD). A substantial sector of its population is Christian. Therefore, Christmas as a time to generate donations was not really out of place in the case of Live Aid. However, I was (and still am) cynical about the motives for some of those musicians taking part.
Nick
[This message was edited by Nick_S on Thu 18 November 2004 at 9:39.]
I seem to recall that Live Aid was held to raise money for victims of the famine in Ethiopia.
Ethiopia has one of the oldest Orthodox Christian traditions in the world (it was declared the state religion by King Ezana of Ethiopia around 350 AD). A substantial sector of its population is Christian. Therefore, Christmas as a time to generate donations was not really out of place in the case of Live Aid. However, I was (and still am) cynical about the motives for some of those musicians taking part.
Nick
[This message was edited by Nick_S on Thu 18 November 2004 at 9:39.]
Posted on: 18 November 2004 by JohanR
Last year I had a short affair with a girl from Camerun, most people there are Christians, if I remember correctly (and second largest is there own pagean religion). And I don't think there is many Muslims in South Africa.
JohanR
JohanR
Posted on: 18 November 2004 by Nick_S
Africa: Main religion by country
(data from:http://www.nationmaster.com)
Nick
1. Uganda, Christianity
2. South Africa, Christianity
3. Angola, Christianity
4. Equatorial Guinea, Christianity
5. Malawi, Christianity
6. Seychelles, Christianity
7. Congo, Democratic Republic of the, Christianity
8. Namibia, Christianity
9. Sao Tome and Principe, Christianity
10. Saint Helena, Christianity
11. Lesotho, Christianity
12. Swaziland, Christianity
13. Zambia, Christianity and Islam
14. Ethiopia, Christianity and Islam
15. Eritrea, Christianity and Islam
16. Rwanda, Christianity and natural religions
17. Gabon, Christianity and natural religions
18. Ghana, Christianity and natural religions
19. Congo, Republic of the, Christianity and natural religions
20. Zimbabwe, Christianity and natural religions
21. Burundi, Christianity and natural religions
22. Cameroon, Christianity, natural religions and Islam
23. Morocco Islam
24. Gambia, The Islam
25. Libya Islam
26. Niger Islam
27. Egypt Islam
28. Guinea Islam
29. Mauritania Islam
30. Comoros Islam
31. Algeria Islam
32. Senegal Islam
33. Mali Islam
34. Tunisia Islam
35. Mayotte Islam
36. Western Sahara Islam
37. Somalia Islam
38. Djibouti Islam
39. Chad Islam and, Christianity
40. Cote d'Ivoire Islam, Christianity and natural religions
41. Sudan Islam, natural religions and, Christianity
42. Kenya natural religions and, Christianity
43. Central African Republic natural religions and, Christianity
44. Madagascar natural religions and, Christianity
45. Botswana natural religions and, Christianity
46. Benin natural religions and, Christianity
47. Burkina Faso natural religions and Islam
48. Sierra Leone natural religions and Islam
49. Guinea-Bissau natural religions and Islam
50. Mozambique natural religions, Christianity and Islam
51. Togo natural religions, Christianity and Islam
52. Liberia natural religions, Islam and christianity
(data from:http://www.nationmaster.com)
Nick
1. Uganda, Christianity
2. South Africa, Christianity
3. Angola, Christianity
4. Equatorial Guinea, Christianity
5. Malawi, Christianity
6. Seychelles, Christianity
7. Congo, Democratic Republic of the, Christianity
8. Namibia, Christianity
9. Sao Tome and Principe, Christianity
10. Saint Helena, Christianity
11. Lesotho, Christianity
12. Swaziland, Christianity
13. Zambia, Christianity and Islam
14. Ethiopia, Christianity and Islam
15. Eritrea, Christianity and Islam
16. Rwanda, Christianity and natural religions
17. Gabon, Christianity and natural religions
18. Ghana, Christianity and natural religions
19. Congo, Republic of the, Christianity and natural religions
20. Zimbabwe, Christianity and natural religions
21. Burundi, Christianity and natural religions
22. Cameroon, Christianity, natural religions and Islam
23. Morocco Islam
24. Gambia, The Islam
25. Libya Islam
26. Niger Islam
27. Egypt Islam
28. Guinea Islam
29. Mauritania Islam
30. Comoros Islam
31. Algeria Islam
32. Senegal Islam
33. Mali Islam
34. Tunisia Islam
35. Mayotte Islam
36. Western Sahara Islam
37. Somalia Islam
38. Djibouti Islam
39. Chad Islam and, Christianity
40. Cote d'Ivoire Islam, Christianity and natural religions
41. Sudan Islam, natural religions and, Christianity
42. Kenya natural religions and, Christianity
43. Central African Republic natural religions and, Christianity
44. Madagascar natural religions and, Christianity
45. Botswana natural religions and, Christianity
46. Benin natural religions and, Christianity
47. Burkina Faso natural religions and Islam
48. Sierra Leone natural religions and Islam
49. Guinea-Bissau natural religions and Islam
50. Mozambique natural religions, Christianity and Islam
51. Togo natural religions, Christianity and Islam
52. Liberia natural religions, Islam and christianity
Posted on: 18 November 2004 by long-time-dead
Anyone want to buy a DVD ?
Kinda gone off the idea now......
Kinda gone off the idea now......
Posted on: 19 November 2004 by The mole man
No way! The whole thing stinks like a whorehouse at low tide...
Mole Man
Mole Man