Academic qualifications

My bruvver's got a CSE in Art Pal, beat that. OPf course it's impotent to know tha t Doc's and lyers and people are fully qulified, I mean a translated legal docu by an unqualied person is about as useful as a British Court Order, ie, not worth the paper it's scanned upon, or about as useful as an eggy curry fart in a spacesuit.

G.G. Of Finkersfordrinkers

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Originally posted by FISBEY:
my diploma's better than your diploma .

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I think not, as I had to correct the punctuation of your quote.

For me it was just getting the necessary qualifications to pursue the career I wanted to go down. It’s a very personal thing which most people in my area don’t talk about. The qualifications bores piss everyone off and cause not a little irritation – as evidenced here! Those bores who bang on about how good their paperwork is are frequently a bit vague on the exact wording - which tells you something

Cheers

Harry

I have O Level Woodwork.
Beat that!

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No disrespect to anyone with masters degrees etc, but why are some people obsessed with getting university qualifications?, it's almost like a competition; my diplomas better than your diploma etc.

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I sympathise with your sentiments

As one who has been through the HE system as a student, and am now on the other side (so to speak) I can verify that there is an almost inverse relationship between true intellect/ability and "publicised" qualifications

By that i mean.......the real plonkers (IMHO) are those who use the letters after their name....you know the old saying...empty vessels.......

In the same way as overdressing, wearing lots of vulgar jewellery, or any other "flash" activity, there is usually an attempt to disguise inadequacy of some sort when folk brandish their quals


Just look at peoples` business cards...if they show lots of letters after the name then invariably the person concerned is a real dipstick (To quote Mick)

laurie S

What Laurie said. Bang on mate.

Cheers

Harry

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Originally posted by Rasher:
I have O Level Woodwork.
Beat that!

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Me too !

What grade?

Rough sawn

Sadly failed my woodwork.

At school I used to do wood work, metal work and, please don't laugh, pottery too. It was great fun trying out these activities despite my practical incompetence.

The less said about the lamp shade I made the better.

Made a pleasant change from the academic subjects.

Mike

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Originally posted by Rasher:
Rough sawn

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Only someone with an extremely high knowledge of "the craft" would know a term like that.

Where's the wire wool?

You're all amateurs. I've got 2 GCEs in metalwork!
One at GCE O level and one at A level where my work was so bad I was awarded an O level!

Bob

Tom

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Good qualifications do prove you can study

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Not these days

Laurie S

I don't totally agree with you Laurie. Like in my profession (management cosultancy) customers do prefer to see what they pay for. Especially in bigger assignments customers give format CV's in which they specifically address the studies you have done. Some customers also expect you to walk around their business in black with a tie, as that shows what they pay for (not 'just another employee', but a 'really smart consultant'). It is however no proof at all that it's a good investment! I also know that in some business people drive big cars as that would be a proof that they have a flourishing business (which isn't always the case). The whole case is that people seek for indicators for doing a good deal. Compare it to the police that's being rewarded as they give more penalties for speeding. This should however not be a goal on it's own, they should be rewarded for lowering the number of fatal accidents!
But I do agree that people who shout hardest about their qualifications are mostly the dumbest. Maybe they hope that if they shout hard it scares you off for asking a 'dumb' question that they really can't answer. I guess everbody knows these guys/girls at university that get a degree that make you doubt about the value of an education...

MBA = Master of Bugger All

cheers

Nigel

In addition to my O-level woodwork, I also have passed the National Cycle Proficiency test

Bas

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The whole case is that people seek for indicators for doing a good deal. Compare

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I am generally suspicious of overstated ostentation. To me, a guy driving a big flash car tells me he is ripping off his clients

I usually get information about a product from other users. Would you believe what a company tells about the wonderfulness of their own product?

I was of course generalising, though the epithet "one cannot tell a book by it`s cover" applies IN GENERAL

This is also true of Hi-Fi...the best equipment is usually understated, whereas mediocre kit is bedecked with champagne finishes, plenty of knobs and lights, and impressive sounding acronyms, that usually have little relationship to the quality of performance.Sopme of the cheaper Japanese consumer electronics of the 80s and 90s are classic examples of this

"Quality speaks for itself" is the rule of thumb I use, and when something uses devices that are clearly intended to solely impress, I become suspicious that the reality falls well short of the (implied) promise


So is it with qualifications

I may differ from you here, but when a guy with a shiny suit, heavy gold jewellery and expensive aftershave approaches me, in my mind, the words "cheat" and "liar" spring to my mind

That`s my own prejudice

Laurie S

Hi Laurie,

Some wise words, but not all applicable, as I was trying to show you how some people (that's not you!) think.
It is very wise of you to gain information by asking others. However, legislation forces our government to ask offers from more parties than one for every assignment they have over a certain amount of money. They cannot give the assignment to a party which they know is good just like that. So they search for criteria to select and one of those criteria is education. I tend to agree that it is a fairly good indicator, although not without faults (what is?).
If you don't look at these assignments, my company gets most of our work by mouth to mouth commercials and follow ups. That also is our strategy; when you deliver quality, you'll always have work! I think that one of the great breakdowns of the ICT industry is that in that business there were plenty of 'consultants' that were mere account managers / salesmen than anything else. Their goals are just making as much profit as possible, but they don't know jack about the clients business and what really helps him. After a while it became clear that ICT wasn't the solution to all business problems like these people proclaimed it to be and business lost faith...
When I was talking about wearing a suit I didn't mention anything about jewellry (yuck!) or aftershave. I just meant to explain that with some customers it's possible to wear jeans, others prefer a suit for some reasons. Don't exagerate please, the guy you describe I would refer to as criminal or very bad taste. Regarding the car comparison, I feel the same as you do, but in the constructing business where a lot of people don't have a degree (not to say that there is a significant correlation) success is often measured by carsize.

Regards! Bas

Being a construction industry professional myself, I know the car size thing to be a balancing act between not appearing too affluent, yet still managing to fit in with the larger clients. I attended a site meeting where an Architect turned up on a scooter, and sadly it didn't impress the client. They questioned his status and were not proud to show him off as their guy in charge. Sad but true.

"Being a construction industry professional myself"
That sort of statement is even more ammusing than banging on about Dr this or Phd that! What job do you do Rasher?
Martin
Southwest Medical Diagnostic Equipment Pathological and Vetinary Technical Computational Endocrine and Tumour Marker Investigational Operative and Consultant.

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Sad but true.

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I agree Rasher, it only shows the things the architect values, which aren't cars. He might just be the new Gaudi (in which case this will become an hilaric example in an academic book not to judge a book by its cover :-))

Regards! Bas

Rasher - I nearly fell off my chair reading that. It's so true! Architects invariably have the tattiest/oldest/least enviable vehicles on site. Must be the form-following-function thing

We also tend to accumulate too many qualifications on our way into the profession. Hmm...

Chaps

This is so terribly British....criticising success and achievement.

Why do you do it.

Regards

Mick

Mick it depends on your definition of achievement. I know plenty of "professionals" who've achieve not much in my opinion and people with no paper qualifications who have achieved and enormous amount. I just don’t judge people and their "achievement" just by a couple of letters before or after their name.
Martin
Qualifications don’t = achievement (necessarily)

One can be a Prof.Dr.Dr. in Germany, I know it's true as I've met one, concievably a Prof. Dr.Dr.Dr. is possible too, though I think it's purely Academic myself, innit.

Graham George Of Tenquidinamsterdam

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I may differ from you here, but when a guy with a shiny suit, heavy gold jewellery and expensive aftershave approaches me, in my mind, the words "cheat" and "liar" spring to my mind

That`s my own prejudice

Laurie S[/QUOTE]

Ah. You've met Swiss Tony then ?

"You know posting to the Padded Cell is very much like making love to a beautiful woman.............."


regards
Richard S