Your CD's are all knackered (or will be)
Posted by: J.N. on 05 August 2004
Posted on: 06 August 2004 by P
Good!
P
Posted on: 06 August 2004 by Not For Me
Yet another reason for vinyl supremacy
Perhaps CD will be seen for the fad it is in due course.
DS
OTT - TOTP, as dire as ever
Posted on: 07 August 2004 by Rasher
The reason I sold all my vinyl was because it all became so scratchy and clicky to the point that it became unlistenable. CD's may eventually fail, but at least they don't make you listen to every pop & click on their way out.
I used to work on a drawing board where all drawings ended up in a cabinet. Now it's all on computer and on the hard disc, on a backup CD, on another computer etc etc. So paranoid about backups, but looking back to the old drawing cabinet - a leak in the roof or a fire and the whole lot is gone. Why do we critise modern improved media for its shortcomings when we so easily forget the vulnerability of what we had before? Vinyl was not perfect. It was not indestructible, so stop gloating at stories like this. How many times did you have to take a new LP back to the shop to complain that it was scratched? Get over it.
Posted on: 07 August 2004 by TomK
It's all another example of the dumbing down of our society (how many times have I spouted that cliche recently
).
Folk who know SFA about technology recycling ill informed articles from yonks ago to meet deadlines because they know their average reader is ignorant enough to believe it all.
Sorry to disillusion folk but believe it or not organisations tend not to make only one backup copy of anything (if the IT manager is worth his salt that is). If one copy fails (and it happens occasionally) there'll be umpteen others in the fire safes or offsite storage. This applies as much to the music business as the financial and technical worlds.
And not a single CD of mine has shown the slightest sign of deterioration in the 17 years since I bought my first one. Fuck knows what folk are doing to cause this. And anybody who seriously proposes vinyl as the preferred medium for long term music archive needs his (or her) head looked.
Posted on: 08 August 2004 by Not For Me
TomK, When are you coming round then (to look at my head?)
Rasher, in about 10,000+ records, I have had to take back perhaps 4-5 individual items. A decent record deck minimises clicks, and they are part of vinyl life anyway.
DS
OTD - Neil Landstrum - Bedrooms & Cities
Posted on: 08 August 2004 by J.N.
Ah that old vinyl nostalgia eh?
It's good to see that people get passionate about it (I do), but to call CD's a 'fad' is laughable. It's not half bad as a first stab at mainstream digital music/data storage.
It's incredible to think that we've had digital technology for the masses for only about 25 years - a pin-prick in technological evolution.
And yes me too - Around a thousand CD's and I haven't yet found one with any audible problems. I'm guessing that these 'problem' CD's have either been abused or kept in unsuitable conditions.
Media scaremongering again. Bless 'em.
Posted on: 08 August 2004 by JeremyD
quote:
Originally posted by TomK:
And anybody who seriously proposes vinyl as the preferred medium for long term music archive needs his (or her) head looked.
Hmmm... It may not be
the preferred medium for long term storage but it's certainly
my preferred medium:
1) So far, I prefer vinyl to CD. [I must admit to having been highly impressed by a brief listen to a CDS2. It was the closest approach to vinyl that I've ever heard from CD].
2) I have several hundred records, many of which are not available on CD, and which I could not possibly afford to replace anyway.
3) I have an LP12/Ekos (currently unusable because I sold my Lingo when I needed some money last year). I cannot possibly afford a top quality CD player, and doubt I ever will be able to.
4) If I were going to switch to some other current format it would be SACD or DVDA. CD is already outdated.
5) All mechanical formats with moving parts will soon be hopelessly outdated. I will not be at all surprised if, within a decade, we have solid state storage that's cheaper and better than any present format.
Posted on: 09 August 2004 by Jono 13
Just so long as solid state does not equal mp3 music abuse
Jono
Posted on: 09 August 2004 by J.N.
Yes indeed Jono - that's the worry. We've been here before, but mp3 and the like is pretty bloody good by most people's standards.
As we evolve into the 'jukebox in the sky' era for all our downloaded data requirements (music films PC applications etc) there will be commercial pressure to compress the information as far as possible.
If only us (very small minority of) Hi-Fi geeks want something better, I reckon we've had it.
The lowest common denominator normally prevails. The present time may be looked back upon in the future as a bit special for serious music lovers? Let's hope not.
Interesting times.
Posted on: 09 August 2004 by kid spatula
quote:
As we evolve into the 'jukebox in the sky' era for all our downloaded data requirements (music films PC applications etc) there will be commercial pressure to compress the information as far as possible.
only 10 years ago a 1 gig hard drive would have been considered massive, let alone 20 years ago.
i forsee a future where such enormous sampling and bit rates are possible, along with stupidly cheap storage that fantastic audio quality will be available to pretty much anyone who wants it... and people like me who currently only listen to vinyl will be left with the do-dos.
maybe.
Posted on: 09 August 2004 by TomK
quote:
Originally posted by JeremyD:
quote:
Originally posted by TomK:
And anybody who seriously proposes vinyl as the preferred medium for long term music archive needs his (or her) head looked.
Hmmm... It may not be _the_ preferred medium for long term storage but it's certainly _my_ preferred medium:
1) So far, I prefer vinyl to CD. [I must admit to having been highly impressed by a brief listen to a CDS2. It was the closest approach to vinyl that I've ever heard from CD].
2) I have several hundred records, many of which are not available on CD, and which I could not possibly afford to replace anyway.
3) I have an LP12/Ekos (currently unusable because I sold my Lingo when I needed some money last year). I cannot possibly afford a top quality CD player, and doubt I ever will be able to.
4) If I were going to switch to some other current format it would be SACD or DVDA. CD is already outdated.
5) All mechanical formats with moving parts will soon be hopelessly outdated. I will not be at all surprised if, within a decade, we have solid state storage that's cheaper and better than any present format.
Dream on. Whatever you think of CD and digital it's what most music is (and is going to be) archived on for the foreseeable future. I'm not arguing about quality here, just the reality of the situation.
Posted on: 10 August 2004 by Rasher
David - I admit to being sloppy with the storage of my LP's and probably I caused most of the problems during 2 house rebuilds, but even so, being used to the silence of CD's made any clicks annoying to me. I had an LP12/Ittok and it wasn't good enough to make my vinyl listenable. I honestly thought that my vinyl had perished with age. It certainly sounded like it was breaking down. 15 years ago I was the worst vinyl snob.
Posted on: 10 August 2004 by count.d
quote:
Dream on. Whatever you think of CD and digital it's what most music is (and is going to be) archived on for the foreseeable future. I'm not arguing about quality here, just the reality of the situation.
What do you mean "dream on"? Have you read Jeremy's post?
quote:
I had an LP12/Ittok and it wasn't good enough to make my vinyl listenable
You would need to go to the quality of an Ekos with a decent cartridge to appreciate how quiet vinyl can be.
quote:
Rasher, in about 10,000+ records, I have had to take back perhaps 4-5 individual items. A decent record deck minimises clicks, and they are part of vinyl life anyway.
If you've only taken back 4-5, you're very forgiving.
Posted on: 10 August 2004 by andy c
Hi,
I have just changed from an axis to an LP12/Ittok and the result is much quieter backgrounds when listening to even some of my most flogged to death LP's.
Even more scary was that with a 1990 pressing of a Cd compared to the same artist but on Lp the 2nd hand LP12 ran the CDX2/XPS2 very close (admittedly the remastered CD sounded better).
Some of the CD's I own now are 20 years old. They still play ok. Some of my records are older than that, and they still play ok.
What's the point in worrying about this issue? It has been mentioned time & time again but the actual conclusion won't be known for years anyway, will it?
regards,
andy c!
Posted on: 12 August 2004 by Jono 13
quote:
i forsee a future where such enormous sampling and bit rates are possible, along with stupidly cheap storage that fantastic audio quality will be available to pretty much anyone who wants it...
Sadly I see one where quantity and not quality could well prevail, just look at digital terrestial tv. We could of had a sensible number of high quality channels rather than loads of lo-fi crap like sky.
However if demand for high quality origination and recording of music is driven by the artists then things could move into a the more you pay the better the quality situation. Having a friend in the mixing console business I know it can be done easily and cheaply.
Jono
