140 vs. 180

Wolfgang,

As you get a present, try to get the most expensive present available....

Arie

I think you may be better going for the above, as the 72 is being discontinued and the 102 is not quite so desperate for a hi-cap. It should work out at similar money?

I think the room size is important for a decision about a 180 or a 140.
As I don't live in a large room (no more than
12 x 9 feet, and I don't tell how many meters it is because I'm afraid of Mark Tucker...) the Nait 2 and Nait 3 didn't suffer from lack of power at my home.
I had a probelm with my 140 and the dealer who had to repalce one power section did told me that
the 140 shares the same power sections as the more powerfull amps but the power supply is smaller than in the 180.

I think that it is a question of budget and I don't know how much money you have to add for a 180 instead of a 140, but as many members here are telling, I think it is more logical to put the extra money on a 102 instead of on a 180.

Arie

I have a s/h 72 already. It was a
real bargain, for about 260 Pounds, in best
condition, I´m happy with it.
A 102 or something else comes later.

bye

The biggest jump I found on the Amp ladder was the 180 to the 250(a real grin to the face upgrade). I had a 90 for ages and the only way to get anything that was better in all departments was to buy a 250. May as well save on the 180 and buy a 140 then get yourself a better pre or a HiCap for the 72. Then save like mad for a 250.

Regards

Darren Miller

I agree with Darren on getting a 140 and skipping to a 250 from that base.

A hicap on the 72 will probably make a much bigger improvement than going from a 140 to a 180.

Phil - never really liked the 90 or the 180

Personally I found the upgrade from 140 to 135s to be less of an improvement than going from 102/HC to 82/HC.

In answer to the original poster - the 140 is a fantastic amp and I would always choose that over the 180 unless I really needed the extra power of the 180 because of my room and/or speakers.

Actually if I could afford 72/180 then I would get 102/140 which is about the same price.

Matthew

Hi all!

Thanks for your suggestions.

Had now a home demo with both amps and my current cd3/72/Credo.
The 140 was warmed up by my dealer,the 180 lost
his virginity at my home.
After three days the 72/140 combo made great
music, I`ve tried it with and without a borrowed Flat-Cap.
I liked both, there was no real weakness, every evening i`ve damped light,closed my eyes and enjoyed music.
The 72/180 combo,witch is running next door in this moment, sounds "unwarm-uped", like my warm Nait3.
Sometimes i have a bit sharpness, the instruments are not natural, no body.(won`t say the nait sounds not natural)
No doubt, this will come after the warm up period (Its running now since 60 hours), but the main problem is too much bass.
Somebody said buying a 140 or 180 also depends on the room.Mine is 5x4 meters and the 140 bass sounds much better for my ears.I need a bigger house for the 180.
If there is not happening a wonder on the 180 in the next 48 hours, i will go the 72/140 (hicap in a few month) way. I think this will be a system where i can easy live with for a while.
Later i will look out for a 102 or 82 and do the
"houseupgrade"

Thank you very much
Wolfgang

Garry

I upgraded from 42.5 to 32.5 and from 110 to 160.
I think the preamp gave the biggest performance upgrade BUT NOT BY MUCH. The improvement between 110 to 160 was really staggering as well. In fact, as I write this I am really not sure I am correct, it was really so close. I don't see anything wrong with you finding the jump to 180 giving you the upgrade you wanted.

Brian

Hi Garry,

It`s not me that prefers the 140, it`s my room.

I had several home demos in my short hifi career.
Nait3, Nait3/Flat,140,180,250/72 (so my dealer is not realy happy with me )
One thing i have learned is, the room is very important.

Regards,Wolfgang