Welcome to Fortress Brighton
Posted by: oldie on 26 September 2004
Having just returned from a Sunday afternoon trip out of town I have had my car and passengers videoed several times each way, whilst both leaving and returning to the town,all the main roads into and out of the city have Police video van units working 24 hours a day recording all traffic passing by them.
Several roads have been closed to the general public and barricaded, the main sea front road has been restricted from in places 3 lanes each way down to 1 lane each way, with a massive steel barrier down the center. There are more police armed with machine guns[ that are not suitable or accurate enough to be used in a area crowded with people]on the roof tops and patroling the streets around the sea front area than you would expect to see in Beirut. Van loads of coppers are being driven all over the city and hundreds if not a thousand or more plods are crawling all over the place, this is not to mention the bl--dy helicopters over head and the alleged warships patroling the sea lanes just of the coast. And why do the people of Brighton have to put up with being made prisoners in there own City? so that Blair and his circus can perform their staged and totaly controlled ritual before the worlds press. So much for our democracy and rights of freedom, you can't even move around in our own town without being eyed with suspicion by several gun toting black clad moronic looking coppers.
RANT OVER
Sorry, oldie.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by oldie
The GOOD and BAD NEWS to close this thread
The Good news
Brighton Councils Press Officer has just told me that the Home Office picks up the bill for the security of the conferance
, but he said he was not sure regarding who pays for the peripherals.
The Bad News
The CIRCUS is coming to town, again next year
359 days to go and counting
Talk about Stage Managed
He also informed me ,that they had only had 2 complaints to their dedecated Conferance Complants line, when told that I had never heard of it he said it had been well publisized, when I pressed him for more information obout it said "that only those in the immdiate area had been informed about it, about 1000 residents in all".When reminded that aprox 250,000 people live in Brighton and all could have been inconvenienced by this fiasco the line went quite and only a slight throat clearing noise could be heard
oldie.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Kevin-W
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Steve
History is basically worthless.
Mick
As I suspected, you are a buffoon of the highest order. Only a complete cretin would say such a thing AND say it with such obvious pride. Typical, I suppose, of someone who was once a member of Mensa and has so little shame that he even feels thee need to boast about the fact in public.
Although your posts have a certain childlike naiviety that can be quite charming on occasion.
Kevin (DJ Shadow: Endtroducing)
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Brian OReilly
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
History is basically worthless. Mick
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm McLaren:
History is for pissing on.
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bad Brian:
History isn't what it used to be.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Tim Jones
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
I was about to write a short note debating whether Steven was a paranoid delusional fantasist...QUOTE]
There's something in this. The forces of the world are out to get him (in a personal sense) and 'Blair' is more a kind of focal point for the paranoia than a real person.
But wasn't Matt Gibson, er, right in that film?
Tim
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by matthewr
"But wasn't Matt Gibson, er, right in that film?"
Yes. That's what I said. And that's why I am taking Steven at his word despite him seeming to make absolutely no sense at all.
Matthew
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by MichaelC
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
rich people cheat the country out of via tax avoidance...
I would not disagree with that sentiment.
Having said that the IR are getting much tougher and taking a much closer look at the ultra wealthy. Fayed's arrangements anyone?
Those who deliberately evade taxation and falsify their records are just as bad as the spongers in my book.
Do bear in mind that a significant proportion of the ultra wealthy are highly mobile. If the tax system hits them too hard they leave the UK. What is better? 100 people paying 40% tax or 50 people paying 50% tax. You may not like it but that is the way of the world.
I will also add that Mr Brown has substantially increased the effective rate of taxation during his tenure in office.
A few random thoughts.
Mike
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by MichaelC
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
"A benefits system has been created which disincentivises the lardy arse brigade from getting off their asses to work"
This is of the course that wonderful Thatcher/Reagan idea that the best way to motivate poor people is to take what little money they have off them. You can then give it to rich people via tax cuts as apparently to achieve the same motivating effect you have to give them more money.
So is it right, by way of example, that a teenage girl can go and deliberately fall pregnant so that she can be provided with accomodation and all the associated hand-outs?
Mike
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
quote:
So is it right, by way of example, that a teenage girl can go and deliberately fall pregnant so that she can be provided with accomodation and all the associated hand-outs?
What proportion of UK society belong to that group, do you think?
Andy.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by matthewr
Michael,
You are rather missing the point. The extra burden of tax put upon the likes of me and (I presume) you is not really caused by poor people fiddling the system. It's caused by the ultra wealthy basically telling the rest of us to bend over while they give us a right good seeing to.
Matthew
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Markus S
quote:
Originally posted by Mekon: If someone will go to Tescos for Matthew on my behalf, I will design them a psychological intervention that will change their diet and exercise behaviour.
As I'm in need of such an intervention - Matthew, what do you want?
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by matthewr
I'm in need of junk food and beer Markus. If you go to Tescos before recieving Mekons intervention, can I trust you not to scoff the lot as you get a taxi from the suppermarket?
Matthew
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Steve Toy
If a commuter can't find a way to get to work without polluting the local environment, I suggest they move nearer, or find a job elsewhere.
So the jobs will go elsewhere.
I.e: to another country.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Markus S
No probs, English junk food is too junk-like anyway. Now, if we were talking about Swiss chocolate ...
Edit: I was just looking at Tesco's website to see if they do deliveries. I would have asked Tesco to deliver to you on my behalf on Mekon's behalf. Turns out that yes, they do deliveries, but you have to be a UK resident to qualify for that service.
Mekon, is there anything else I can barter with you?
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Steve Toy
quote:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
I was about to write a short note debating whether Steven was a paranoid delusional fantasist...QUOTE]
There's something in this. The forces of the world are out to get him (in a personal sense) and 'Blair' is more a kind of focal point for the paranoia than a real person.
It is becoming clearer to me that all those of a leftist persuasion are budding little Stalinists.
IIRC, Stalin used to have people locked away in mental institutions just for the views they held, or even just for their religious beliefs.
I don't believe the forces are out to get
me at all as I have nothing to hide, and the state must have much bigger fish to fry than little old me. I just object to such state snooping on principle. This is (or was) a free country.
Why can't it stay that way?
Why must socialism mean greater control, restriction and monitoring of individuals' movements?
Why is the environment being used as a pretext to push through legislation that will give megalamaniac socialists the total control they yearn for?
Most importantly, why is the bulk of the population of this country so apathetic about it and are prepared to just sit back, let it all happen and do nothing to stop it?
Road pricing = GPS satellite navigation technology = knowing the whereabouts of every vehicle in the land and how fast it is travelling. Simple logic really, no paranoia is required, just a lack of
total trust in Mr B.Liar.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Steve Toy
Not me you pillock. Read again!
I don't believe the forces are out to get me at all as I have nothing to hide, and the state must have much bigger fish to fry than little old me. I just object to such state snooping on principle. This is (or was) a free country.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by cunningplan
I think Mr Toy is a well balanced individual.... he has a chip on each shoulder
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by matthewr
I think the point is Steven, that any responsible government very much would have it in for you.
Matthew
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Steve Toy
Did I specifically say you were the pillock, AlexG?
Today's pillock award has to go to me. WRT the FTSE I'm back in 1987...
I take it then that apart from me, everyone thinks Mr Blair's road pricing scheme is just fine and dandy, and that we must do our unilateral bit to reduce global warming, even though it may completely screw up our economy, our liberty, and all the jobs (and pollution that go with them) will just go abroad.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by oldie
Steve,
Does your taxi have a fuel line leak,?inhaling petrol fumes is supposed to make one, not only depressed but paraniod as well
.
oldie.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by oldie
quote:
Originally posted by oldie:
The GOOD and BAD NEWS to close this thread
The Good news
Brighton Councils Press Officer has just told me that the Home Office picks up the bill for the security of the conferance , but he said he was not sure regarding who pays for the peripherals.
The Bad News
The CIRCUS is coming to town, again next year
359 days to go and counting
Talk about Stage Managed
He also informed me ,that they had only had 2 complaints to their dedecated Conferance Complants line, when told that I had never heard of it he said it had been well publisized, when I pressed him for more information obout it said "that only those in the immediate area had been informed about it, about 1000 residents in all".When reminded that aprox 250,000 people live in Brighton and all could have been inconvenienced by this fiasco the line went quiet and only a slight throat clearing noise could be heard
oldie.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Mekon
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Toy:
Road pricing = GPS satellite navigation technology = knowing the whereabouts of every vehicle in the land and how fast it is travelling. Simple logic really, no paranoia is required, just a lack of _ total _ trust in Mr B.Liar.
Don't let the fact that GPS is one way spoil your fantasy.
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Mick P
Matthew
Thatcher used the philosophy that the idle sods who lounge about doing nothing or those who work in low paid jobs should be incentivised to get off their asses and earn extra money.
In the main it works but you will always have the waynes and waynettas to lumber the rest of us with.
This country needs workers not lazy yobs sitting around all day doing nothing.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Mick P
Tom
Most wealthy people are work orientated who work long hours etc.
The really poor in this country are chavs who just spunge off the system.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by AlexG:
Yeah, you're right Mr Toy. I am a pillock.
And you're the one drawing comparisons between Stalin and Blair. But I'm the pillock.
It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
Alex,
Did you ever imagine, two years ago when you first became a member of the Naim Forum, in your wildest dreams, that one day you'd be called a pillock by a Toy?
jon
Posted on: 01 October 2004 by Mick P
Akex
The Queen is just one person out of 55 million and she does work pretty hard.
Tom
This is an equal society, you make what you can out of it.
Regards
Mick
