The sonic equivalent of being smacked in the face with a tornado
Posted by: Richard AV on 25 May 2004
I believe some here will appreciate what I am talking about...
Today I was listening to Rage Against The Machine's Battle Of LA album on a CDX2/202/Hi/Napsc/200/PMC GB1 system and it was *awesome*. I love Rage anyway but this really stopped me from leaving to go do some real work. The dynamics and sense of scale, without being hard and overtly agressive, really put across the musical message. I think this comes down to what a lot of people say about Naim being able to really communicate with the listener. I think it's fair to say one normally suggests this theory relates to a nice piece of relaxing jazz or a classical quartet, not loud funky rap metal.
Any other recommendations that would leave ones cheeks suitably windswept?
Today I was listening to Rage Against The Machine's Battle Of LA album on a CDX2/202/Hi/Napsc/200/PMC GB1 system and it was *awesome*. I love Rage anyway but this really stopped me from leaving to go do some real work. The dynamics and sense of scale, without being hard and overtly agressive, really put across the musical message. I think this comes down to what a lot of people say about Naim being able to really communicate with the listener. I think it's fair to say one normally suggests this theory relates to a nice piece of relaxing jazz or a classical quartet, not loud funky rap metal.
Any other recommendations that would leave ones cheeks suitably windswept?
Posted on: 27 May 2004 by Richard AV
Oh, and am I the only one that can occasionally enjoy some Marilyn Manson? The other half went to see him live in Birmingham last year and loved it.
Posted on: 27 May 2004 by ErikL
What, no White Zombie?
Posted on: 27 May 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by Derek Lukasik:
And Metallica...but that's a given. Except for the latest one.
Derek
Yes, 'The Unforgiven'/'Nothing Else Matters' - true classics.
JonR
Posted on: 27 May 2004 by Peter C
Superunknown - Soundgarden
Mutter - Rammstein
Crank - The Almighty
Mutter - Rammstein
Crank - The Almighty
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Matt Gear
Three more for a Friday morning:
Sevendust - sevendust. Heavy, slow grooves. somewhere between Sabbath and Living Colour.
Korn - Korn. Their albums seem to consist of 50% great songs and 50% rather iffy ones. THe first album is really inventive though, with some great riffs, and truly barking (literally) vocals. Looking forward to seeing them live next month!
Down - Down. A "heavy metal super group" comprising of Phil Anselmo from Pantera, Pepper Keenhan from Corrosion of Conformity and Todd Strange and Jimmy Bower from Crowbar. Think of a slower, bluesier version of Pantera and you are somewhere in the right area. Very heavy but very groovy album.
Great thread guys!
Matt
Sevendust - sevendust. Heavy, slow grooves. somewhere between Sabbath and Living Colour.
Korn - Korn. Their albums seem to consist of 50% great songs and 50% rather iffy ones. THe first album is really inventive though, with some great riffs, and truly barking (literally) vocals. Looking forward to seeing them live next month!
Down - Down. A "heavy metal super group" comprising of Phil Anselmo from Pantera, Pepper Keenhan from Corrosion of Conformity and Todd Strange and Jimmy Bower from Crowbar. Think of a slower, bluesier version of Pantera and you are somewhere in the right area. Very heavy but very groovy album.
Great thread guys!
Matt
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Rasher
Yes, Marilyn Manson - Esecially Mechanical Animals, but to start the day (9.45am) I am just popping on Brain Of J (Pearl Jam), and while I'm at it, I might as well play the whole of Vs (a very under-rated album IMHO).
Why do all Tool tracks start the same with a bass line?
I think I may be listening to Siamese Dream & Gish today too. (and some early Foo Fighters with Pat Smear).
I had almost forgotten about System Of A Down - one minute they were here...the next...
I feel guilty playing Linkin Park 'cos I think I should be 30 years younger to qualify (That goes for Korn too)
Why do all Tool tracks start the same with a bass line?
I think I may be listening to Siamese Dream & Gish today too. (and some early Foo Fighters with Pat Smear).
I had almost forgotten about System Of A Down - one minute they were here...the next...
I feel guilty playing Linkin Park 'cos I think I should be 30 years younger to qualify (That goes for Korn too)
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by greeny
Got you say I was pretty disapointed with Metalica's Master of Puppets. Which I bought after Metalica and Load. With the exception of Orion (which is brilliant), I find it shouty, tuneless, lacking any subtlety or imagination and ultimatly dull. I guess I prefer the somewhat more melodic approach.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by starbuck
I think 'Master of Puppets' is a fairly divisive album amongst the 'die hard' Metallica fans(never really understood the term 'die hard', myself - I'd prefer mine to be warm and cozy if at all possible).
For some it represents the pinnacle of what they think Metallica did best - thrash metal -, and, I'd guess, would look upon your list of criticisms (shouty, tuneless, lacking any subtlety ) as a list of compliments. Others saw it as the last 'real' Metallica album, not because of the move away from the straight ahead thrash sound, but because it was the last album to feature Cliff Burton, an enormous influence on their style to that point. I remember comments in magazine letters pages at the time '...and justice for all' came out, where Metallica were accused of "selling out" and "going soft", but I think this was something that affected those people who believed they had some sort of personal hold on the band, or those that can't accept that it's possible to like a band that huge numbers of other people like, too. Similar backlashes always affect a band when they go from being cult stars to superstars, I guess, rightly or wrongly.
I like 'Master of Puppets'. I bought 'Kill em all' in the week of it's release and still love it now. I also like '...and justice for all' and 'Metallica', but haven't really listened to much they've done since, getting bored with waiting for new music for what seemed to be a lifetime, for something that wasn't really worth waiting for IMHO. Now, to my ears, the sound is stale and the band seem to be going through the motions for lack of anything better to do. I think Jason Newstead said as much when he left, his departure being a bonus as it meant he joined Voivod - a favourite of mine - and recorded an excellent album with them.
Back on thread topic, I was playing 'Only a suggestion' by Hermano last night and would thoroughly recommend this to all. Featuring John Garcia (ex-Kyuss/Unida/Slo-burn) on vocals, it sounds as you'd hope it would. Absolutley superb stuff(if you like Kyuss, that is).
For some it represents the pinnacle of what they think Metallica did best - thrash metal -, and, I'd guess, would look upon your list of criticisms (shouty, tuneless, lacking any subtlety ) as a list of compliments. Others saw it as the last 'real' Metallica album, not because of the move away from the straight ahead thrash sound, but because it was the last album to feature Cliff Burton, an enormous influence on their style to that point. I remember comments in magazine letters pages at the time '...and justice for all' came out, where Metallica were accused of "selling out" and "going soft", but I think this was something that affected those people who believed they had some sort of personal hold on the band, or those that can't accept that it's possible to like a band that huge numbers of other people like, too. Similar backlashes always affect a band when they go from being cult stars to superstars, I guess, rightly or wrongly.
I like 'Master of Puppets'. I bought 'Kill em all' in the week of it's release and still love it now. I also like '...and justice for all' and 'Metallica', but haven't really listened to much they've done since, getting bored with waiting for new music for what seemed to be a lifetime, for something that wasn't really worth waiting for IMHO. Now, to my ears, the sound is stale and the band seem to be going through the motions for lack of anything better to do. I think Jason Newstead said as much when he left, his departure being a bonus as it meant he joined Voivod - a favourite of mine - and recorded an excellent album with them.
Back on thread topic, I was playing 'Only a suggestion' by Hermano last night and would thoroughly recommend this to all. Featuring John Garcia (ex-Kyuss/Unida/Slo-burn) on vocals, it sounds as you'd hope it would. Absolutley superb stuff(if you like Kyuss, that is).
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by davidm
Dream Theater - Train of Though is the best CD they have produced. The fact that it is also the heaviest well.... Truly stunning.
RATM, SOAD, Tool, Dream Theater, Incubus, pretty well covers my listening at the moment.
Picked up the new Slipknot album based on recommendation of a friend (dont have anything else by them), and have to say it is very good. Not what you would expect. Some quite quiet and melodic moments. It is worth a listen. I did feel my age buying it though
One final recomendation at the heavier end of the scale is Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion. That will wake your system up in a hurry. Vocals take a bit of getting used to. You would never believe it is a female singer
Music should be 'original' and played 'live'. No more overpaid Karaoke singers.
RATM, SOAD, Tool, Dream Theater, Incubus, pretty well covers my listening at the moment.
Picked up the new Slipknot album based on recommendation of a friend (dont have anything else by them), and have to say it is very good. Not what you would expect. Some quite quiet and melodic moments. It is worth a listen. I did feel my age buying it though
One final recomendation at the heavier end of the scale is Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion. That will wake your system up in a hurry. Vocals take a bit of getting used to. You would never believe it is a female singer
Music should be 'original' and played 'live'. No more overpaid Karaoke singers.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Rasher
I'v ejust bunked out of the office to buy Tool - Lateralus & RATM - Battle of LA.
Now it's afternoon mode.
Now it's afternoon mode.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Richard AV
Rasher,
Good choices
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on both.
Good choices
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on both.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by starbuck
I hope you enjoy 'Lateralus', Rasher - 'Parabol' and 'Parabola'(tracks 6 + 7) are two(one?) of my personal favourites from that album.
Chris.
Chris.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Nigel Cavendish
The Bothy Band, After Hours, The Kesh Jig
The Bothy Band, Live in Concert, The Bucks of Oranmore
Metal? Who needs it!
cheers
Nigel
The Bothy Band, Live in Concert, The Bucks of Oranmore
Metal? Who needs it!
cheers
Nigel
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Simon Perry
The Tool albums are a truly essential puchase for anyone interested in rock / metal / indie rock.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by BLT
I must also mention Queens of the Stone Age, "Rated R" is superb and "Songs for the Deaf" is pretty damn good, too.
Oh, and a mention for Nine Inch Nails, too.
Oh, and a mention for Nine Inch Nails, too.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Matt Gear
BLT
Good shout for NIN. Have got "The Fragile" and "Downward Spiral" but haven't listened to either for quite a while. Think I've just sorted out this evenings entertainment.
Both albums are rather epic in scale, and not the sort of thing you can "dip" into. You have to listen to them all the way through to get the big picture.
Matt
Good shout for NIN. Have got "The Fragile" and "Downward Spiral" but haven't listened to either for quite a while. Think I've just sorted out this evenings entertainment.
Both albums are rather epic in scale, and not the sort of thing you can "dip" into. You have to listen to them all the way through to get the big picture.
Matt
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Richard AV
I was going to mention NIN. You have to be in the right mood (totally pissed off?) to listen to The Downward Spiral. It's not really something that you can show to friends and say "hey listen to this, it's great!" without them thinking you are a nutcase.
The new (ish) live cd (and accompanying dvd) is also very good.
The new (ish) live cd (and accompanying dvd) is also very good.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by JonR
A bit like the Cure's 'Same Deep Water as You'...perfect for manic depressives everywhere...
JonR
JonR
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Rasher
The only NIN I have is the Head Like A Hole ep. Good stuff though.
Currently coming down with Mogwai. Time for some Pumpkins I think.
Currently coming down with Mogwai. Time for some Pumpkins I think.
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Rasher
I think there is hope for my daughter too (6), 'cos her favorite track of all time is Enter Sandman
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Martin D
Sarah Brightman
Sorry Mick
Sorry Mick
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
I think there is hope for my daughter too (6), 'cos her favorite track of all time is Enter Sandman
One of my favourite Metallica tracks - your daughter has excellent taste!
JonR
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Simon Perry
NIN - 'Broken EP'. Everyone go buy it!
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by Rasher
quote:
Originally posted by Martin D:
Sarah Brightman
Sorry Mick
Oh, that reminds me....Dead & Bloated by Stone Temple Pilots (off Core). (SB I mean- not our Mick!!).
Posted on: 28 May 2004 by jayd
Starbuck mentioned the "Probot" disc, which is Dave Grohl's collaborative effort. If you like that one, Tony Iommi did the same thing a couple of years ago. He works with Henry Rollins (Rollins Band), Dave Grohl (Nirvana, QOTSA), Phil Anselmo (Pantera), Serj Tankian (System of a Down), Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins), and others (including, unfortunately, Billy Idol).
My obscure addition to this thread is a band called Big Elf (from Sweden, I believe). Think Sabbath crossed with the Beatles, Pink Floyd crossed with Jellyfish. It's heavy yet precise, powerful without being industrial. Fun stuff, and the louder the better. I recommend "Money Machine" for starters, if you can find it. "Hex" is great as well, but may be even harder to find. Try eBay.
Addendum: The Big Elf web site (linked above) has some samples available for free download, in the Artifacts and Relics section.
[This message was edited by jayd on Fri 28 May 2004 at 17:59.]
My obscure addition to this thread is a band called Big Elf (from Sweden, I believe). Think Sabbath crossed with the Beatles, Pink Floyd crossed with Jellyfish. It's heavy yet precise, powerful without being industrial. Fun stuff, and the louder the better. I recommend "Money Machine" for starters, if you can find it. "Hex" is great as well, but may be even harder to find. Try eBay.
Addendum: The Big Elf web site (linked above) has some samples available for free download, in the Artifacts and Relics section.
[This message was edited by jayd on Fri 28 May 2004 at 17:59.]