System Pics 2005

NB I think you are more impressed by the size of his living rooms, the git

Come to england and get a 12 foot by 12 foot you git!

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Originally posted by NB:
I like the photo's you have an impresive system.NB

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Thanks so much Nigel, although I'll have no problem swapping my system for the one you have- Regard, Edouard.

My System,

Mario.

Edouard,

On the racks, try to remove the plastic/rubber bits that protect the glass on the holders. Replace them with something hard. As designed, the rack prevents vibrations to be drawn from the glass. Not a good idea in my experience. Putting something harder dramatically improve the PRAT.
Also be sure no cable touch the shelves.

Your next upgrade is a device to move the sofa when you seriously listen to music, as setup, it kills your mid/highs.

Nice room, i really have to visit you.

Emmanuel
Euphonie

All opinions are my own, and reflect those of the organisation i work for, even if not stipulated.

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In fact, if he is ever in the Kent region, I could do with someone to look at the placement in my front room, with obvious focus on making sure everything is neat and tidy. Where do people hide speaker cable these days?

Steve

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Cable dressing isn't just about making things look neat and tidy. Whilst properly dressed cables that don't touch each other do look less of a rat's nest, the point of it is about not transfering unwanted electro-mechanical microphonic vibrations from one wire to another, and back into your kit.

Why do you think the connection posts at the back of your Naim kit are slightly loose so as to be decoupled from the casework of your boxes?

Speaker cable, for the same reason, shouldn't be tucked away against the walls.

While you are playing music at any reasonable volume level, just touch your walls and wonder how much of the vibrations you feel is being transfered back into your power amp via your cables if they are in contact with the walls.

Move your rack a few inches forward of your back wall to facilitate cable dressing and let your speaker cables run free from the rear of your power amp to your speakers.

Such attention to cable dressing and equipment placing will yield similar if not better results than dropping another 2k+ on another box.

Furthermore, when that other 2k+ box does finally arrive in your system the improvement will then be bigger still.

Regards,

Steve.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Manu:
Edouard,
On the racks, try to remove the plastic/rubber bits that protect the glass on the holders. Replace them with something hard. As designed, the rack prevents vibrations to be drawn from the glass. Not a good idea in my experience. Putting something harder dramatically improve the PRAT.
Also be sure no cable touch the shelves.
Your next upgrade is a device to move the sofa when you seriously listen to music, as setup, it kills your mid/highs.
Nice room, i really have to visit you.
Emmanuel


Bonjour Emmanuel,

There are no plastic/rubber bits that protect the glass on the holders, the glass shelves sit directly on the metallic holders. Maybe I can take a close up picture of the holders, although once the glass shelf is in its place you may not be able to see the way the holders are engineered, part of the holder is articulated to maintain the glass properly.

Maybe I' ll put armchairs instead of a sofa someday, but when you come, you'll see that mid/highs are very much there, I guess this is due to the way the KEF drivers are designed. When JN came, he moved forward, to kind of bypass the sofa and also to see if being closer to the speakers would give a different sound, he sat back in the armchair, he couldn't say anything.
For the same reason, I suppose, I don't have to be right in front of the speakers to get the best sound, I get the same stereo effect sitting on the side.

Why cables shouldn't be touching the shelves?

You are more than welcome to visit us when you come to Paris at Christmas, we have good food and good wine!
e-mail me at esed@free.fr, I'll give you my phone number.

A bientôt,

Edouard

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
Further to Geoff P's marvellous pics on http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=67019385&f=48019385&m=335103514 a new year and a new thread to post pics of your pride and joy (all-Naim or at least part-Naim) awaits so that we can all get nit-picky about placement issues - to your ultimate sonic benefit!

Steve.

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Steve,

Am I mistaken, or have we not had the benefit of enjoying a pic of YOUR system ?

Not that I want to nit-PIC, but hey, come on, justify the thread !

Il faut montrer l'exemple, mon vieux !



Mario : nice.

Edouard S.

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Why cables shouldn't be touching the shelves?

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Edouard,

As Steve explained, vibration caused by the cable touching each other have some profound effect on how things sound with Naim cables apparently .

Sounds like voo doo, but I know those silly cable lifters off the suspended floor work.

The before and after effects of cable dressing are easily heard and repetable. Cable length also influences the sound, too. Unfortunately, I can't and I won't use those things in my living room even tho they would make a difference. ( this is where I draw a line. )

In my rig, what improved were the transient attack, better bass extension and articulation. ( I was trying to improve somewhat softish midbass/bass of a CDX2 )

I was sceptical but the results were stunning. The effort was well worth it.

Hard to belive but these cables do not touch each other.


...and these cables do not touch shelves nor the rear wall.

[This message was edited by kuma on Sat 13 November 2004 at 8:06.]

[This message was edited by kuma on Sat 13 November 2004 at 8:08.]

Kuma, I realized I had the answer to my question after reading Steve post. Thanks for the great pictures, I'll see what I can do with the cables, and if I can hear any improvement. I must say that I've been very pleased with my system lately, actually the music that comes out is just awesome.

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Originally posted by Edouard:
I must say that I've been very pleased with my system lately, actually the music that comes out is just awesome.

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You know Edouard, maybe you want to leave 'em just be.

We were trying to fix a specific problem with a CDX2, otherwise, I normally don't deal with tweaky stuff.

If the music sounds right, let it be.

Edouard

Your room is lovely, such a pleasant environmnent compared to my English box. I'm with Kuma in that you can go too far on the tweaky stuff, but there are a couple of little things... if you can pull out your rack so that the burndies don't touch the walls or each other you should find an improvement. It also helps to form the burndies into the correct shape so that they go straight in without needing to twist the connectors other than to tighten the locking wheel. Only tighten the burndies - the interconnects and snaics will make a better connection without the locking rings being used.

Your system is the same as mine, apart from the speakers; this may sound boring but have you thought of the Fraim?

Nigel

Ok have a look at mine

and this one

cd2, 102, hi, 250, creek obh-14, s9e, epson tw100

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Originally posted by hungryhalibut:
Edouard
if you can pull out your rack so that the burndies don't touch the walls or each other you should find an improvement. Only tighten the burndies - the interconnects and snaics will make a better connection without the locking rings being used.
This may sound boring but have you thought of the Fraim? Nigel

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OK Nigel & Kuma,I just pulled my rack a few millimeter out, the CDS3 burndy isn't touching the wall at all anymore, my burndies were already tightened, the locking rings of the interconnects and snaics were not being used. I had swapped the Qed be wired cable for Naca5 3 weeks ago, but this week I had to put back the Qued as I couldn't listen to classical violin pieces anymore with Naca5, without having my ears bleeding! I'll post about that later.
I did think about the Fraim, I have a hard time with the price though! I need to demo one in my home to be convinced. I like your black Fraim Nigel, how about getting another base and stack your gears on 2 racks?

Regards,

Edouard

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Originally posted by Edouard:
I did think about the Fraim, I have a hard time with the price though!

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Edouard,

Your system, exlc. speakers, roughly retail for £16 434.
A Fraim (1 base + 4 levels) would cost around £1935.

That makes 12% of your total system prices. I would even say it's cheap

Jean-Marc

Bonjour Jean-Marc, it's nice to hear from you!
Well, I'm really happy right now with my system, so it's hard for me to justify spending few thousands more Euros, because people say: your system will sound better on Fraim. I've listened to systems on Fraim which didn't seduced me, meaning that speakers, cables or room can affect the way your system sound in a more dramatic way, though I've no doubt that Fraim improve things if everything else is just fine.
I have a tuner and a MD player as well, and that means spending sthg like 3500£ on Fraim!

Excellent pics Edouard.

Good to see them on here.

John.

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....I have a tuner and a MD player as well, and that means spending sthg like 3500£ on Fraim!

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Hey Edouard,

I was just meaning that the Fraim is not that expensive if you consider the total price of the system
It may not be too wise thouhg to have a "skyscrapper" Fraim to fit an extra tuner and MD.

Maybe you can demo a 1 level + Base Fraim (for your CDS3 & 252), costing *only* around £900, sticking the rest in your current stand, just to see what the Fraim can bring to your sources ?

Have a nice week end
Jean-Marc

Edouard

My English front room is too small to accommodate two stacks of Fraim, which I'd love to be able to do. I could do it if I put the Fraim elsewhere and used thinner cable to go under the carpet across a doorway, but Naim advised me to stick with my current arrangement.

The Fraim is a fantastic improvement and great value in the context of your system, as good at XPSing a CDX2 say. Why don't you borrow a four tier from your dealer and try it for a week?

Nigel

Long-time-dead,

Does the new style Linn kit fit OK on the Fraim glass? I thought it might not be deep enough?

Thanks,

SS

Nice system/room/installation btw.

Edouard,
I understand my suggestions to PhilDesign has been applied. It`s now time for me to try this rack again.

Emmanuel
Euphonie

All opinions are my own, and reflect those of the organisation i work for, even if not stipulated.

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Il faut montrer l'exemple, mon vieux !

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J'sais bien. Il suffit de patienter.

Les piles dans mon appareil sont usées et je vais déménager dans quelques semaines etc...



Oké. Je viens de dégotter une vieille image...






Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steve Toy on Sat 13 November 2004 at 18:06.]

Adam,

I spelt sistem correctly in the first place in the context of "sistem pics."

The Sistem Pics 2003 and 2004 threads were also spelt this way.

System Pycs looks clumsy.

Sistem Pics

Sistem Pics

Sistem Pics



Regards,

Steve.

PS: I promise faithfully to spell the word as system outside of this particular context

...if you edit my post back to being as it was...

The following pics may or may not be considered RARE - depending on next week. That's the time I'll need to decide whether to keep or drop the Manger speakers. Could be worth another Manger thread. Piccies first:

Both Manger Zerobox 103 in the context of my cave


Closer look at the top unit with two of three MSW's visible


The other side and a little bit of the bass unit


Excuses upfront, if the pics are too large. No problem to trim them to smaller size. Just three yelling people will be enough

Best regards, freundliche Grüße

Stefan

Hey Steve,

t'as appris ou a parler le francais aussi bien que ca?

Jean-Marc