Toolbar has moved

Just click on it and drag it down to the bottom of the screen.

Thats what I tried first ie right click and drag but it don't move.

Howard

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Originally posted by BigH47:
Thats what I tried first ie right click and drag but it don't move.

Howard

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Try left clicking.

That don't work either.

Howard

move the cursor over the toolbar, press and hold down the left mouse button. Drag the toolbar to its preferred position. Take finger off mouse button et voila!

OK OK I have finally done it. I was expecting the toolbar to show some signs of movement but it don't move until the last moment.
Senility is what my daughter was muttering as she left the room after finally moving the tool bar.
Thanks for all responses.

Howard

Howard,
You have my heart felt sympathy I was also trapped by the lack of simple computer knowledge this morning. In my opinion everyone over the age of 50 yrs should be given a seven year old to train them in computer use.
Best of luck ol' fella
oldie.

I remember when us blokes used to fiddle under the bonnet of our cars, and if something needed fixing, we could usually do it ourselves (well - as a student I did anyway - lying in the road in the rain with the old banger up on wheel ramps). At least we understood what had gone wrong and had a grasp of the mechanics. Now we all use computers, and I rely on mine to earn a living and it is on 10 hours a day. If I didn't know how to maintain it and understand what is going on under the bonnet, I would feel seriously out of control and vulnerable. I used to get the secretaries at the old place I worked asking how to save something in a new folder in a new place!! Very basic stuff! - and they need this to earn a living!!!
It is frightening if we are quickly losing control of the mechanics of our everyday lives and become just a helpless end user - like someone who can't programe the video recorder.
I can understand it is tough if you don't use a computer every day, but very frightening if you don't have control of it. It must have been a funny 5 minutes Howard, and that anger and frustration is from the creeping realisation that it is now happening to you.
I wonder what we will be faced with in the years to come. I am currently losing my grasp on computer games and now get beaten very easily on almost all games, whereas before I thought I was pretty good.
Depressing, isn't it. Especially where I am - in the grey area between the sell-by date & the use-by date.

I am well past my use-by date and to add to that the brain'ss filing cabinet is full.
They say when we sleep our brain does cleanup on this overfull filing cabinet and our subconcious decides what to throw away.
How the hell do you persuade it to keep what you WANT to remember and throw away stuff you WANT to forget?

I keep loosing all the fun stuff and remembering all the boring stuff. I need a reverse gear.

As for the piece of electronics sitting on your desk that is supposed to be an inanimate object BUT always goes bananas just when you don't want it to, I console myself, as my frustration builds to a crescendo, with the fact that the help menu is useless AND the so called ITMS experts are even worse (Atleast the ones available to me are)

With computers there is a logicality problem. There is the story of a microsoft executive whoe's mother berated him about this. She asked him how to shut down Windows, so he started the explanation by saying "you go to the START button" and was interrupted by this little old lady pointing out that "why on earth would she use a button marked "START" to "STOP"?. He had no reasonable answer.

They say garbage in - garbage out, but who takes out the garbage?

regards
GEOFF

Listening every day planning to "not fade away"

A quote I once saw went something like- "in the '50s people owned few items maybe a car but certainly a bicycle, a very simple washing machine, maybe a radio etc, all these things could be fixed DIY or at least the local radio shop. In the 90s onwards we own masses of things and can fix none of them. Just chuck it and get another one(Naim products aside)"
My own case with the PC I'm not sure if its stuff I've forgotten or ever knew it in the first place.
Quote "I need a reverse gear" full sympathies there Geoff.
At least I still remember where to go to ask the questions so all is not lost just yet.
This come under the one D ten T failure( write it out with numbers).
One good thing for you others out there is the stupid questions are often the easiest to answer.
Don't forget the more idiot proof they make something, nature finds an improved idiot.

Howard

"They say garbage in - garbage out, but who takes out the garbage?"

I work in IT as a developer. I often work from specifications drawn up by 'Consultants' from one of the large consultancies. I often feel like a zoo keeper, always cleaning up after the elephants...

Howard,
It's great to know that I'm not the only,as you put it "one D Ten T" out there ,I was
beginning to feel very lonely .The only consulation as I see it is at least we managed to get to 50 plus before Technology waved at us as it passed us by, my sympathies lie with the poor younger sod's who take the micky out of us,when it over takes them the back draft will leave them spinning.
Dotage has a few rewards
oldie.

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Originally posted by Geoff P:
They say when we sleep our brain does cleanup on this overfull filing cabinet and our subconcious decides what to throw away.

They say garbage in - garbage out, but who takes out the garbage?

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You said it yourself - your brain takes it out without you even having to notice. You should be pleased
Maybe you are fading away...

I take some consulation knowing I can do sums w/o a calculator or PC (I found my slide rule the other day and can still drive it) if needed I could dismantle/mantle a Ford Kent engine (I may buy an old Caterham 7) and still know about pounds shillings and pence (in case we come to our senses ). This knowledge I know does not reside in the young and I feel good about that at least.
I know they don't need it thats not the point.

Howard

An over-reliance on calculators mean that the young can no longer do simple mental arithmatic. My son is fifteen and is doing reasonably well at Maths but ask him what 9 time 7 is and he has to stop and think. He wouldn't know what a slide rule is (or log tables).

We were not permitted to use calculators until we had finished our O-levels (they were the early jobbies about the size of your average house brick and the Sinclair ones were considered cool) on the principle that we had to learn the basics of number manipulation before just pressing a few buttons and getting an answer - which is always correct of course (he has produced answers a couple of orders of magnitude wrong due to fat fingers and key bounce but not realised because he was unaware how to do a rough calculation).

A couple of years ago whilst I was still working at the Uni. one of the many functions I carried out was looking after the Photographic Dept in the School of Architecture .On many occasions I have had students buying photographic paper from me to use in our darkroom and at that time it was priced at 32p per sheet,the number of times they bought 10 sheets and asked "how much" is unbelievable and we are not talking about dumbos here, all had to had "A's" in maths & English as well as B's in supporting subjects at A levels, but apparently they were never taught mental arithmetic whilst at school,but the best bit is when they had to take their final exams they could not only take calculators in for the exam, but their text books as well,we had a very low failure rate then they wondered when they left the School why I asked that they all let me know the location of the buildings they were going to design There is still hope for us old'uns
yet
oldie

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He wouldn't know what a slide rule is (or log tables).

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Ah yes the famous red book full of not just logs & antilogs, but also reciprocals, sines & tans. A completely different language, granda's finally off his trolley.
The ground breaking introduction of slide rule calcualtions as acceptable occurred for the first time just as was going to Uni. It was a lovely piece of gear especially the more complex ones with the angled scales on the sides.

It all started with complete lessons where all we did was recite our "times tables" in unison, over and over again.

Mind you I would hate to have to do my job today with such antiquated methods. XL IS a boon. It's only as mentioned in the high street where I appreciate the old "programming".

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Maybe you are fading away...

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Naah...Not me. Only wish I was, I actually seem to be becoming more prominent, especially around the waist

GEOFF

Listening every day planning to "not fade away"

Would the Red Log Books be a "Simpson's seven figure" log book by any chance?

Roy T

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Would the Red Log Books be a "Simpson's seven figure" log book by any chance?

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Yes I do believe that was it.
At school we used 5 figure logs most of the time and I seem to remember that one was green. It was when we started doing serious thermodynamics and such that the 7 figure book arrived.

Frigthening isn't it. That's what I was on about earlier. Who the hell needs to remember this sort of thing? I'd much rather remember interesting late night events.

regards
GEOFF

Listening every day planning to "not fade away"