The North/South divide of England
Posted by: Webke on 04 December 2004
I am sure most of you are aware that if you live below the M62 you are considered southern, and those above are therefore considered Northern (including myself).
I am a student, and do alot of travelling around England doing traffic surveys (for a bit of extra cash). Since doing this, I have realised how the country differs from North to South inn terms of peoples attitudes etc.
When I am working, I often have quite an interesting interaction with the locals of the area that I am working in on that given day.
I really cant believe sometimes how arrogant and rude people from the south can be. Why is this? - Why are people in the North more friendly and have much more time for you than those in the south.
For example, the amount of times you let someone pass you, or give way to them in London, and they dont even look at you to thank you at all.
I often get abuse from walkers by (whilst I am just stood there doing counts on the footpath), one guy (in london told me to fack off, and told me that I had no "right" to be on "his" public highway.
People in the North will come over to me, acually say Hi, not talk down to me like I am some robot, and have laugh etc.
Why is this??? - I really dont get it.
Anyone else had simular experiences?
I am a student, and do alot of travelling around England doing traffic surveys (for a bit of extra cash). Since doing this, I have realised how the country differs from North to South inn terms of peoples attitudes etc.
When I am working, I often have quite an interesting interaction with the locals of the area that I am working in on that given day.
I really cant believe sometimes how arrogant and rude people from the south can be. Why is this? - Why are people in the North more friendly and have much more time for you than those in the south.
For example, the amount of times you let someone pass you, or give way to them in London, and they dont even look at you to thank you at all.
I often get abuse from walkers by (whilst I am just stood there doing counts on the footpath), one guy (in london told me to fack off, and told me that I had no "right" to be on "his" public highway.
People in the North will come over to me, acually say Hi, not talk down to me like I am some robot, and have laugh etc.
Why is this??? - I really dont get it.
Anyone else had simular experiences?
Posted on: 06 December 2004 by BigH47
LTD
Its only off topic to you. As ststed my comments related to the question.
H
Its only off topic to you. As ststed my comments related to the question.
H
Posted on: 06 December 2004 by long-time-dead
quote:
Originally posted by BigH47:
LTD
Its only off topic to you. As ststed my comments related to the question.
H
No they didn't. Somehow the North / South divide of England is neither :
a) London vs. the rest of England
b) England that apparently includes Scotland.
c) The Capital city of an apparently divided country vs. Edinburgh (which is then compared to Glasgow for some weird reason that has nothing to do with the original question)
I do believe that the original question to the thread :
The North/South divide of England
was :
Why are people in the North more friendly and have much more time for you than those in the south ?
Now, please answer the question and help Webke.
Posted on: 07 December 2004 by BigH47
I have.
Posted on: 07 December 2004 by Steve Toy
LTD,
I've found the Scots to be the friendliest of all in the UK.
They may slag off the English on occasions, but are also often highly embarrassed (and apolagetic) to learn that there may be English persons in their midst whilst doing so...
The Welsh are more openly hostile to the English though on the odd occasion.
Regards,
Steve.
I've found the Scots to be the friendliest of all in the UK.
They may slag off the English on occasions, but are also often highly embarrassed (and apolagetic) to learn that there may be English persons in their midst whilst doing so...
The Welsh are more openly hostile to the English though on the odd occasion.
Regards,
Steve.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Nigel Cavendish
Wild generalisations about whole nations or regions is not helpful - however true they might be.
cheers
Nigel
cheers
Nigel
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Rockingdoc
As a Scot living in England, I find wild generalisations of this nature very helpful.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by AndyFelin
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Toy:
The Welsh are more _ openly _ hostile to the English though on the odd occasion.
As an Englishman living in Wales I have a lot of sympathy for the Welsh; for centuries the English thought the Welsh were barbarians and tried to stamp out all traces of Welsh-ness and difference. It's no wonder that a reaction set in.
There is a problem with people settling in the country and not involving themselves in the culture or language but that criticism can be applied to immigrants the world over.
Andy
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Rockingdoc
quote:
Originally posted by AndyFelin:
There is a problem with people settling in the country and not involving themselves in the culture or language but that criticism can be applied to immigrants the world over.
Andy
Wot you on about guv, wanna bunch of fives do ya?
You sayin' I don't know how ter speak proper engerlish?
McDoc
[This message was edited by Rockingdoc on Wed 08 December 2004 at 15:10.]
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
quote:
Originally posted by Rockingdoc:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AndyFelin:
There is a problem with people settling in the country and not involving themselves in the culture or language but that criticism can be applied to immigrants the world over.
Andy
Sorry, but untill you have been to hull, and seen how many kosovan/iraqis that there are you will not fully appreciate the extent of this problem - thanks tony blair.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by HTK
quote:
Originally posted by Webke:quote:
Originally posted by Rockingdoc:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AndyFelin:
There is a problem with people settling in the country and not involving themselves in the culture or language but that criticism can be applied to immigrants the world over.
Andy
Sorry, but untill you have been to hull, and seen how many kosovan/iraqis that there are you will not fully appreciate the extent of this problem - thanks tony blair.
This also applies to invading countries who displace the native culture, insulate themselves from it, and/or seek to rule.
We used to be quite good at that.
Of course, nowadays we're all good Europians.
<ducks>
Cheers
Harry
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
Of course, nowadays we're all good Europians.
Harry[/QUOTE]
Er no, Im not im ENGLISH and proud, and always will be.
Harry[/QUOTE]
Er no, Im not im ENGLISH and proud, and always will be.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Deane F
We have a lot of immigrants in New Zealand whose first language is not English. I have noticed that their skin is often of a different complexion to mine.
Without exception they are all human beings.
I love the inflow of people from other countries arriving here because they want to be here. I think that we stand only to be enriched as a country and a people. I have never found it detrimental to my character to have my perspectives broadened and I think that the same applies to countries and cultures as well.
Deane
Without exception they are all human beings.
I love the inflow of people from other countries arriving here because they want to be here. I think that we stand only to be enriched as a country and a people. I have never found it detrimental to my character to have my perspectives broadened and I think that the same applies to countries and cultures as well.
Deane
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
quote:
Originally posted by Deane F:
We have a lot of immigrants in New Zealand whose first language is not English. I have noticed that their skin is often of a different complexion to mine.
Without exception they are all human beings.
I love the inflow of people from other countries arriving here because they want to be here. I think that we stand only to be enriched as a country and a people. I have never found it detrimental to my character to have my perspectives broadened and I think that the same applies to countries and cultures as well.
Deane
Ok, thats your point.
The situation where I live is.-We as a city have been bombarded with illegal immigrants, numbers reaching wells into the 10's of thousands now.
These "people", are often better off financially than those locals trying to make a living, after all the free vouchers, free mobile phones, free bikes and living rent free. Alot of them are heavily into crime, from robbing houses, to raping english girls. They cannot be put to trial properley as they are protected by the foriegn office (under some human act).
Should you go into town on a monday morning, you are almost certain to see 10's of them queuing up at post offices for their free money (which the tax payer has to fund)
You would think that if you went to Hull these days that you were in kosavo as there are so many hanging around perving on blonde girls (they only like blondes).
Do you agree with this?
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by AndyFelin
Webke, I find your posts getting increasingly offensive. Perhaps this forum is not the place for these sort of views.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Bananahead
quote:
Originally posted by AndyFelin:
Webke, I find your posts getting increasingly offensive. Perhaps this forum is not the place for these sort of views.
So do I. I went looking for the AUP but it is not obvious.
Nigel
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
Sorry but my points are genuine, I do not see how one could take offence to my posts.
Sorry.
Webcke
Sorry.
Webcke
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by toad
Webke,
Haven't you been banned from this forum before for following a similar inflammatory path?
I may be completely mistaken though. Apologies if that is so.
Haven't you been banned from this forum before for following a similar inflammatory path?
I may be completely mistaken though. Apologies if that is so.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Deane F
quote:
Originally posted by Webke:
The situation where I live is.-We as a city have been bombarded with illegal immigrants, numbers reaching wells into the 10's of thousands now.
These "people", are often better off financially than those locals trying to make a living, after all the free vouchers, free mobile phones, free bikes and living rent free. Alot of them are heavily into crime, from robbing houses, to raping english girls. They cannot be put to trial properley as they are protected by the foriegn office (under some human act).
Should you go into town on a monday morning, you are almost certain to see 10's of them queuing up at post offices for their free money (which the tax payer has to fund)
You would think that if you went to Hull these days that you were in kosavo as there are so many hanging around perving on blonde girls (they only like blondes).
Do you agree with this?
Webke
I will not engage in a point by point discussion of the assertions you have made in the post I have quoted here.
If I thought that you could support the assertions with argument and some premises based in factual material then I would be more inclined to discuss the issue.
However, I have only what you have written so far on this thread as a basis for inferring your open-mindedness and willingness to subject your points of view to the same scrutiny to which I endeavour to subject my own.
To draw a proper inference I must read tone into your post. So far, and as I have mentioned in this thread already, your tone shows prejudice rather than thought. Whether or not you intended that your posts display this tone is, for me, beside the point.
I hope that my post shows restraint. I have encountered racism in my own country and I hate it with each fibre of my being.
Deane
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
I hope that my post shows restraint. I have encountered racism in my own country and I hate it with each fibre of my being.
Deane[/QUOTE]
Are you now accusing me of being racist?
Because I am contributing factual, though subjective information against kosovans commiting crime in my area-If it was the other way round, would you still insist it was racist?
I think not.
Perhaps if you lived in this country, you would appreciate my case a little more.
Are you a little sour after we drummed you in the tri nations rugby league this summer by any chance?
Deane[/QUOTE]
Are you now accusing me of being racist?
Because I am contributing factual, though subjective information against kosovans commiting crime in my area-If it was the other way round, would you still insist it was racist?
I think not.
Perhaps if you lived in this country, you would appreciate my case a little more.
Are you a little sour after we drummed you in the tri nations rugby league this summer by any chance?
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Deane F
Webke
It is a fair question to ask whether or not I accuse you of racism.
The answer is no.
I do, however, accuse you of prejudice. I would be happy to disuss whether or not I am drawing too fine a distinction between "racism" and "prejudice" or whether or not, indeed, your posts show prejudice.
And I hate rugby. I spent eight months living with a tetraplegic who broke his neck playing rugby. I can't stand the All Blacks. I love it when they get beaten. It was pure delight to find they had lost in the Rugby World Cup at the semifinal stage. I still think that the Swiss should buy some of our top players, naturalise them, form a World Cup team and take the next Rugby World Cup like they took the Americas Cup.
Deane
It is a fair question to ask whether or not I accuse you of racism.
The answer is no.
I do, however, accuse you of prejudice. I would be happy to disuss whether or not I am drawing too fine a distinction between "racism" and "prejudice" or whether or not, indeed, your posts show prejudice.
And I hate rugby. I spent eight months living with a tetraplegic who broke his neck playing rugby. I can't stand the All Blacks. I love it when they get beaten. It was pure delight to find they had lost in the Rugby World Cup at the semifinal stage. I still think that the Swiss should buy some of our top players, naturalise them, form a World Cup team and take the next Rugby World Cup like they took the Americas Cup.
Deane
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by JonR
Webke,
As a Londoner I've only been to Hull a couple of times in my life, both as a student some 15 or so years ago. For some reason my experience of Hull was strictly limited by the fact that the place always seemed to be shrouded in fog and/or it was at night, so I never really got to see it properly. The first time I went it was to a fellow student's party in a village called Anlaby, the second time was to stay overnight at another friend's place on, if memory serves, Hessle Road, the main road that leads into the city centre.
Beyond that, here's what I know about Hull:- it's full name is the city of Kingston-Upon-Hull and it resides in the county of East Yorkshire, formerly known as Humberside. As well as boasting its own football club in Hull City FC, the city is known more for its rugby league heritage as you alluded to earlier - being home to the two long-standing rivals Hull and Hull Kingston Rovers.
Besides which, there's a bloody great bridge that enables one to travel across to Grimsby over the river Humber.
Being over 230 miles from London, it's highly unlikely I'll ever have reason to go there again in the very near future. In fact I am more likely to end up in New Zealand!
So could say from the above that I am far less 'qualified' to talk about the situation in Hull than you, and, on the face of it, you could be right.
However, whilst it is perfectly possible to read into your posts some very real concerns, reflected, I'm sure, by many others here, about crime, safety and general well-being, those concerns notwithstanding your posts in my opinion border on the offensive and I would ask you to take a good hard look at what you have written and reflect accordingly.
The last person that spouted openly racist views on the board was banned by the moderators in short order. Do you want to end up the same way?
JR
As a Londoner I've only been to Hull a couple of times in my life, both as a student some 15 or so years ago. For some reason my experience of Hull was strictly limited by the fact that the place always seemed to be shrouded in fog and/or it was at night, so I never really got to see it properly. The first time I went it was to a fellow student's party in a village called Anlaby, the second time was to stay overnight at another friend's place on, if memory serves, Hessle Road, the main road that leads into the city centre.
Beyond that, here's what I know about Hull:- it's full name is the city of Kingston-Upon-Hull and it resides in the county of East Yorkshire, formerly known as Humberside. As well as boasting its own football club in Hull City FC, the city is known more for its rugby league heritage as you alluded to earlier - being home to the two long-standing rivals Hull and Hull Kingston Rovers.
Besides which, there's a bloody great bridge that enables one to travel across to Grimsby over the river Humber.
Being over 230 miles from London, it's highly unlikely I'll ever have reason to go there again in the very near future. In fact I am more likely to end up in New Zealand!
So could say from the above that I am far less 'qualified' to talk about the situation in Hull than you, and, on the face of it, you could be right.
However, whilst it is perfectly possible to read into your posts some very real concerns, reflected, I'm sure, by many others here, about crime, safety and general well-being, those concerns notwithstanding your posts in my opinion border on the offensive and I would ask you to take a good hard look at what you have written and reflect accordingly.
The last person that spouted openly racist views on the board was banned by the moderators in short order. Do you want to end up the same way?
JR
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by matthewr:
Webke -- Please fuck off you tedious racist troll.
Matthew
Actually I had very similar thoughts but felt I should try the 'reasoned' approach first!
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by matthewr
In my experience, Jon, when it comes to racists, reflective eulogies about the Humber bridge cut little ice.
Matthew
Matthew
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
May I ask from what exactly have you drawn your conclusions from to call me a racist.
Matthew, If your going to make comments like the above I would really prefer if you would do so to my face and be a real man. Not through your keyboard.
Pathetic.
Matthew, If your going to make comments like the above I would really prefer if you would do so to my face and be a real man. Not through your keyboard.
Pathetic.
Posted on: 08 December 2004 by Webke
LOL Matthew.
Get a life.
Let me guess, your a southerner and you have not "taken" to the whole thread.
This is how you all fight your battles isnt it through the keyboard lol.
I dont think you would say it to my face if I was stood looking down to you
Obviously your knockin on a little but thats no excuse.
Get a life.
Let me guess, your a southerner and you have not "taken" to the whole thread.
This is how you all fight your battles isnt it through the keyboard lol.
I dont think you would say it to my face if I was stood looking down to you
Obviously your knockin on a little but thats no excuse.