The North/South divide of England

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Originally posted by matthewr:
In my experience, Jon, when it comes to racists, reflective eulogies about the Humber bridge cut little ice.

Matthew

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Have you ever actually been to hull matthew? -

I find your posts within this thread, most arrogant. Typical of one whom is perhaps used to drinking from the furry cup, may I say.

I am not making generalisations, but the situation in my city now has is out of hand.

I am not being racist towards kosovans and iraqis as a whole what so ever. My remarks are targetted to those who, speak no english, steal, rape and contribute nothing back into our society. Most of them are not even meant to be in the country, but when they see what treatment they get from our goverment they come over by the truck-load. It was only monday when one of my mates told me that one of his friends who is a girl, got badly beaten by one at a cash point the night before.

My auntie married an iraqi over ten years ago and he does not go around causing trouble, raping girls etc. He serves as a Consultant surgeon and head of Cancer to the North East, much more of a contribution than those I refer to, and perhaps yourself.

Webke

If you defend attacks on your views about Hull by saying "but you don't live in Hull", then you are in the wrong place. This is an internet forum.

Perhaps there is a Hull-based forum in which you could find support, or (dare I mention it - dammit yes I do dare!!) a National Front forum?

Deane

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These "people", are often better off financially than those locals trying to make a living, after all the free vouchers, free mobile phones, free bikes and living rent free. Alot of them are heavily into crime, from robbing houses, to raping english girls.

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We really do have to get to grips with the issue of illegal immigration in this country. There are always problems when large numbers of people hailing from different cultures arrive and settle in, what is to them, a foreign land.

This particular government, despite its empty promises to the contrary, seems determined to let anyone and everyone come and live here without having to respect our culture or even our laws.

A couple of years ago I picked up a chap from Hull who owned a Bed and Breakfast. He'd been on a narrowboating holiday with his wife, and his boat was on the canal somewhere near to where I live and work. Having allowed the boat to collide with the bank he and his wife had a tiff that went along the lines of:

"If you think you can do better, then steer the f*cking thing yourself!"

He then stormed off along the tow-path in the pouring rain before eventually turning up at a service station across the road from a hotel.

Having weighed up the cost of staying at the hotel and getting home the following day on the train, against just getting a taxi straight home, he went for the latter option.

I arrived to pick him up feeling a little apprehensive about potentially having some freak in my car for a couple of hours who may or may not decide to pay me...

There he was standing under the shelter of the forecourt looking like a drowned rat. He got in the car, asked me how much, gave me 100 quid immediately, and procceeded to tell me exactly why he needed a taxi to Hull at nearly midnight.

We didn't stop chatting for the whole journey up there in the torrential rain (he did more talking than me tbh) and he did mention some of the social problems in Hull caused by immigrants with vouchers, free mobile phones and bicycles etc. He didn't give me the impression that he was racist, but he did believe that the influx of such large numbers of immigrants in one area was causing problems in the community.

He offered me a cup of tea in his hotel kitchen as well as a free room. I accepted the former and declined the latter as I just wanted to get home.

Webke's racist gaffe here is that he's refered to them by their ethnic origins. This really isn't necessary as the issue lies not with the fact that they may come from Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, or anywhere else (The Iraq war hadn't even started then) but with the fact that there are so many people from different cultures all settling in one place.

Resentment from many quarters of the local community will be inevitable if these so-called asylum seekers, who are, in most cases nothing more than economic migrants, especially if they have brought a mini crime wave in with them.

The rest of the EU imposed restrictions on the rights of citizens of the enlarged EU to settle and work in their respective countries. Our government did not - and moreover lied about and deliberately played down the numbers of citizens from the former Eastern Bloc expected to arrive in the UK.

Race simply doesn't enter the equation at all. The issue is simply mass migration of people into communities ill-equipped to adjust to and cope with their arrival - not to mention the same inability on the part of the newly-arrived.

Playing the racist card is a tactic of deflection away from this pressing issue in this country.

My feeling is that Labour are playing a long-term strategy of importing votes with no regard for those who elected them in the first place.

I consider myself to be a good European, and I was happy that countries of the former Eastern Bloc (including Slovakia where I lived and worked ten years ago) were finally admitted to the Club. However, the decision made by our partners in the EU to make them wait a further 8 years before being allowed to enjoy full access to jobs and welfare was a very wise one.

The wankers in our government had other ideas...

Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steve Toy on Thu 09 December 2004 at 3:27.]

Steven Toy,

As usual your post is a bizarre mixture of delusional paranoid fantasy, factual mistakes and conflation and confusion of diferrent issues.

Suffice it to sy that the numbers arriving in this country seeking Asylum are very small -- about 65,000 in 2003, of who some 28% were granted asylum and some 13,000 were sent home. That really is a tiny number of people in UK terms.

All the stuff about free mobile phones, car loans, preferential access to social housing, higher benefits payments, etc is all NOT TRUE. It SIMPLY DOES NOT HAPPEN and is largely a result of urban myth repeating propoganda by the likes of the BNP, The Daily Mail, etc.

And finally, I can't believe I need to say this, but Webke did not make a "gaffe" he is simply a troll here to wind people up. That he has chosen to do so with a offensive brand of racist Kosovan Mafia are Here to Rape Out Blonde Women just makes him a cunt as well as annoying. The only thing anyone should say to him is "Fuck off troll".

Matthew

For some reason the "Report this post" button doesn't work for me so Admin please regard this as an official complaint. Some of the stuff from Webke is totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

I concur with the sentiment that this Webke is an objectionable troll and should bugger off and whilst Matthew's language would be regarded by many people as distasteful, I applaud it in this respect.

Funny though that when I recently used some less coarse language to reply to the forum's serial troll, Matthew and chums seemed to choke with dramatic indignation. I'd hate to think that they were just blatent hypocrites who want everyone to do as they say, not as they do.

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All the stuff about free mobile phones, car loans, preferential access to social housing, higher benefits payments, etc is all NOT TRUE. It SIMPLY DOES NOT HAPPEN and is largely a result of urban myth repeating propoganda by the likes of the BNP, The Daily Mail, etc.

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I never mentioned car loans or higher rates of benefit payments. I said mobile phones, bicycles and vouchers. It isn't anti-government propaganda when a local sees these things happen with his/her own eyes.

Regards,

Steve.

This has gone on for too long, let's hope the Moderators pull the plug.

Andy

Chaps

I think we should all be aiming for a system where anyone in the world should be allowed to freely move into another country without any hindrance at all.

I know it will not happen for decades but it is something we should all be aiming for.

My own view is that the asylum question has been ludicrously blown out of proportion.

Most immigrants come into this country and enrich it over the longer term. They make you more aware of other cultures and religion and hopefully we can learn to pick out the best bits from each others.

Anyone who comes in from asylum is bound to be a drain on the economy in the early days. Just like students etc. But give it a few years, they will be working like the rest of us, paying taxes etc. We should be welcoming them.

Good luck to them.

Regards

Mick

Mick that will only be practical when the developing world has developed and the movement of people is then a two-way street, and developed nations should do their utmost to help the developing world actually develop...

Otherwise I agree with the principle.

Regards,

Steve.

[This message was edited by Steve Toy on Thu 09 December 2004 at 14:31.]

Mick,

That's a remarkably open-minded post from you I must say.

Will you be cancelling your Daily Mail subscription forthwith, then?



JR

Steven Toy said "It isn't anti-government propaganda when a local sees these things happen with his/her own eyes"

The point is people are not seeing them with their own eyes becuase these things DO NOT happen. They are just urban myths repeated by people, newspapers and organistations whose agenda they happen to suit.

Matthew

It must be coincidence then that two people speak of mobile phones vouchers and bicycles, and they both come from Hull where there is quite an influx of immigrants whose lifestyle is funded by local council tax payers.

Regards,

Steve.

The mobile phone things comes up all the time and it's just not true -- asylum seekers are not, and never have been, given mobile phones at tax payers expense.

Similarly the "my sister-in-law has three kids and had been wating for a council flat for 8 months and then a family of Kosovans was moved in ahead of her" story which gets repeated all the time in various contexts and versions and is not true. Asylum seekers are simply *never* given council houses at all and their housing is *never* funded by the local council.

Matthew

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Originally posted by matthewr:
Asylum seekers are simply *never* given council houses at all and their housing is *never* funded by the local council.

Matthew

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Factual point - this may not quite be true although I will need to check this point but I understand that Reigate & Banstead Borough Council are picking up the tab for housing the Diego Garcians who are currently here and homeless. For the record I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with this.

Rant on...

Diego Garcia it must be added is a scandal of such immense proportion that disgraces this country and is conveniently swept under the carpet - are you listening Blair?, like fuck you are.

Rant over.

Mike

The Diego Garcians are not asylum seekers but rather British passport holders and the dispute is about whether the council is obliged to house them under the Housing Act or not.

Matthew

I stand corrected.

the poor bastards! think about it months of travel ,hardship,cold ,no food , shelter, then ending up in a shit hole like Hull fuck me!

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Originally posted by Webke:
LOL Matthew.

Get a life.

Let me guess, your a southerner and you have not "taken" to the whole thread.

This is how you all fight your battles isnt it through the keyboard lol.

I dont think you would say it to my face if I was stood looking down to you

Obviously your knockin on a little but thats no excuse.

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May I just, a little late in the day, say what Matthew said. Although with any luck the advice has been taken alraedy.

Thank you so much.

Cheers

Harry