Iran, al-Qa'eda and the nuclear bomb
Posted by: 7V on 30 July 2004
The 9/11 Commission has concluded that it was not Iraq that had connections with Islamic terrorists but Iran. The report claims that Iran made "concerted efforts to strengthen relations" with al-Qa'eda and that Iranian border guards were instructed to "facilitate the travel of al-Qa'eda members".
Clearly the Commissions findings have added to fears about Iran's pursuance of a nuclear programme. In fact, the US Congress recently authorised the use of "all appropriate means" to halt it. According to Senator Sam Brownback: "It's better to take forceful action now to end a terror threat and save lives, then to wait for a nuclear 9/11 to take place and then ask why".
Meanwhile, Israel has expressed extreme concern (hardly surprising given Iran's commitment to destroy the Jewish state). Aljazeera.net has reported Public relations head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Commander Seyed Masood Jazayeri, as saying that in retaliation to any attack Iran has proved itself to be "harsh, assertive, hard-hitting and destructive".
"The United States is showing off by threatening to use its wild dog, Israel," he said.
"They will not hesitate to strike Iran if they are capable of it. However, their threats to attack Iran's nuclear facilities cannot be realised. They are aware Tehran's reaction will be so harsh that Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth." he warned.
Meanwhile (according to Aljazeera), US-appointed interim Iraqi Defence Minister Hazim Shaalan warned of invading Iran if it did not stop interfering in his country's internal politics.
"I've seen clear interference in Iraqi issues by Iran," the minister said in an interview with The Washington Post in Baghdad on Monday.
"Iran interferes in order to kill democracy."
So ....
My question for debate is what would you learned gentlemen like to see happen here?
a) Ignore Iran's bomb making ambitions. They will go away.
b) Allied pre-emptive action. The US are in so much shit anyway that what difference will another foreign escapade make?
c) Let Israel deal with it. That way we can all make a lot of loud, critical noises while being secretly relieved. If Iran attacks Israel afterwards they can deal with it.
d) Wow, Iraq attacking Iran. Well there's something I hadn't thought of. Great idea.
e) None of the above.
I'm asking you guys because I strongly suspect that action will be taken soon and I'd like to hear your responses in advance, this time.
Steve Margolis
defy convention - make music
Clearly the Commissions findings have added to fears about Iran's pursuance of a nuclear programme. In fact, the US Congress recently authorised the use of "all appropriate means" to halt it. According to Senator Sam Brownback: "It's better to take forceful action now to end a terror threat and save lives, then to wait for a nuclear 9/11 to take place and then ask why".
Meanwhile, Israel has expressed extreme concern (hardly surprising given Iran's commitment to destroy the Jewish state). Aljazeera.net has reported Public relations head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Commander Seyed Masood Jazayeri, as saying that in retaliation to any attack Iran has proved itself to be "harsh, assertive, hard-hitting and destructive".
"The United States is showing off by threatening to use its wild dog, Israel," he said.
"They will not hesitate to strike Iran if they are capable of it. However, their threats to attack Iran's nuclear facilities cannot be realised. They are aware Tehran's reaction will be so harsh that Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth." he warned.
Meanwhile (according to Aljazeera), US-appointed interim Iraqi Defence Minister Hazim Shaalan warned of invading Iran if it did not stop interfering in his country's internal politics.
"I've seen clear interference in Iraqi issues by Iran," the minister said in an interview with The Washington Post in Baghdad on Monday.
"Iran interferes in order to kill democracy."
So ....
My question for debate is what would you learned gentlemen like to see happen here?
a) Ignore Iran's bomb making ambitions. They will go away.
b) Allied pre-emptive action. The US are in so much shit anyway that what difference will another foreign escapade make?
c) Let Israel deal with it. That way we can all make a lot of loud, critical noises while being secretly relieved. If Iran attacks Israel afterwards they can deal with it.
d) Wow, Iraq attacking Iran. Well there's something I hadn't thought of. Great idea.
e) None of the above.
I'm asking you guys because I strongly suspect that action will be taken soon and I'd like to hear your responses in advance, this time.
Steve Margolis
defy convention - make music
"Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ?"
Fritz Von Nagasakiwaasonlyhitbecausethefirsttargetwasovercast
Schicksaal³
Fritz Von Nagasakiwaasonlyhitbecausethefirsttargetwasovercast
Schicksaal³
As far as I'm aware old bean British pilot tibbits dropped his load with Enola
Gay on Hiroshima as goes the song, and due to overcast weather the second
initial industrial target was replaced (unluckily) with Nagasaki to see how the
completely different kind of bang would work, being nice and clear for the
camera's you understand, so we can all enjoy watching it over the years in
glorious techniclor, innit.
Fritz Von F.I.S.H. isarmytalkforfartinginswindonhouseholds
Pish: Please correct me if I'm wrong (which I often am) as you know I'm always
up for positive critisism as well, sometimes amazingly when I havent even asked
for it, now that's foresight, innit John.
Gay on Hiroshima as goes the song, and due to overcast weather the second
initial industrial target was replaced (unluckily) with Nagasaki to see how the
completely different kind of bang would work, being nice and clear for the
camera's you understand, so we can all enjoy watching it over the years in
glorious techniclor, innit.
Fritz Von F.I.S.H. isarmytalkforfartinginswindonhouseholds
Pish: Please correct me if I'm wrong (which I often am) as you know I'm always
up for positive critisism as well, sometimes amazingly when I havent even asked
for it, now that's foresight, innit John.
Steve old Chum, it occurred to me that even us two bright sparks speaking the
same mother tongue can easily misread each other. If you look at this thread
like many others (we all, me probably more than most) fling statistics about
willy nilly here and there and confuse issues sometimes by bulking them up with
chaff, when they are in essesnce very simple, or rather the solution is very
simple, and inevitably is the only serious one left anyway, ie, all sitting
together round a table and chattin, the way of actually implimentingthe meet is
the choker.
My point being as I've just said, we two can't agree on a very
well documented monumental incident of history, and I take we're both being
serious, without smartie point making or sarcasm (Wot ME ?)How the hell can all
these other lands and agencies get their acts together properly using countless
languages, and countless different interpretations of a common theme? Diplomatic
World language has I assume got to be the only seriously International language
between nations to date, so I suggest You and I become Ambassadors with the full
backing of the powers that be, Arye can be the ref, and Matthew can be our man
in the raincoat reporting repetitively "I'm afraid I can't say too much at this
stage, but I'll be back asap with a similer comment, innit". Just a bit of fun
lads, but as the Fab Four sang "We Can Change The World"
This is an interesting (SERIOUS²) link to get an idea how many deadly ernest
folk out there consider themselves RIGHT and we're all wrong, innit
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
Fritz Von Losinmyreligionlikeahurricaine
same mother tongue can easily misread each other. If you look at this thread
like many others (we all, me probably more than most) fling statistics about
willy nilly here and there and confuse issues sometimes by bulking them up with
chaff, when they are in essesnce very simple, or rather the solution is very
simple, and inevitably is the only serious one left anyway, ie, all sitting
together round a table and chattin, the way of actually implimentingthe meet is
the choker.
My point being as I've just said, we two can't agree on a very
well documented monumental incident of history, and I take we're both being
serious, without smartie point making or sarcasm (Wot ME ?)How the hell can all
these other lands and agencies get their acts together properly using countless
languages, and countless different interpretations of a common theme? Diplomatic
World language has I assume got to be the only seriously International language
between nations to date, so I suggest You and I become Ambassadors with the full
backing of the powers that be, Arye can be the ref, and Matthew can be our man
in the raincoat reporting repetitively "I'm afraid I can't say too much at this
stage, but I'll be back asap with a similer comment, innit". Just a bit of fun
lads, but as the Fab Four sang "We Can Change The World"
This is an interesting (SERIOUS²) link to get an idea how many deadly ernest
folk out there consider themselves RIGHT and we're all wrong, innit
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
Fritz Von Losinmyreligionlikeahurricaine
quote:
Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
... and due to overcast weather the second
initial industrial target was replaced (unluckily) with Nagasaki to see how the
completely different kind of bang would work
SowhatwastheoriginaltargetthenFritzymeoldmate?
quote:
Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Watford
Thosebloodyamericanssaysitallreally
Better than the one we have already...yes I think I see your point now. Still, would it have meant I would still be living where I do, being in the err "vicini'y" so to speak?
JonR von lovesusingtheconditionaltense
JonR von lovesusingtheconditionaltense
It's lucky I'm a London born European Steve me old timebomb innit, would've been awfull being corrected by a Geeerman wunnit !!!
Fritz Von Finsburyparkfuseblower
Fritz Von Finsburyparkfuseblower
quote:
quote:
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Originally posted by Steven Toy:
Yes what a relief. I can't imagine the Russians being too impressed with Iran having nukes so I think we can safely leave it to them to monitor the situation.
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Phew! The same goes for me - I'm glad Harvey has set the forum straight on that one. Thank heavens we have such a delightfully guileless palooka to educate us all in current affairs and to set such a shining example of maturity, good grace and reason himself.
I'm tempted to say that you're welcome but to be frank the point of your post, if there is one, seems to be far from clear.
What exactly did I set the forum straight on?
Were you being confrontational and needlessly abusive to myself or Steven Toy?
Again, do you have a point and if so are you in any danger of making it soon and in a clear fashion so that one might concur or challenge, or are you resigned to making snide and poorly composed posts from the sidelines?
I'm pleased to see that our Delegation of problem fixers is beginning to level
out, shouldn't be long now until we can all go over there to help them there
Eyeranians out, though as we're all agreeing and sorting things out so
wonderfully here maybe we should just let them get on with it ? (or is that your
esoteric point ? All of yers)
I recall not so very long ago international rescue,
and aid immedialtely landing in Iran after the Wam quake, I think even Charlie
Boy was on the turf ? hardly a sign of non co-operation I feel, even in their
desperation. Iraq, etc, would never have allowed such intervention, no doubt
somebody will argue with that too! "BAN DER BOMB JOHN"
Fritz Von Icanniesaytoomuchatthisstageinnit !
out, shouldn't be long now until we can all go over there to help them there
Eyeranians out, though as we're all agreeing and sorting things out so
wonderfully here maybe we should just let them get on with it ? (or is that your
esoteric point ? All of yers)
I recall not so very long ago international rescue,
and aid immedialtely landing in Iran after the Wam quake, I think even Charlie
Boy was on the turf ? hardly a sign of non co-operation I feel, even in their
desperation. Iraq, etc, would never have allowed such intervention, no doubt
somebody will argue with that too! "BAN DER BOMB JOHN"
Fritz Von Icanniesaytoomuchatthisstageinnit !