The US election

Posted by: Justin on 21 September 2004

Well,

It's now almost universally recognized over here that things are going very poorly in Iraq. Bits of even the Republigencia is starting to question the progress and the honesty of this president. Our National Intel. Counsel report is damning at best (and unspeakably pessimistic at worst) at the future of Iraq. AND, FINALLY, Kerry has started to unlace the gloves and go after Bush's war effort - the substance of which has gained traction at least among the punditry. Christ, Porter Goss, the man Bush tapped for the top CIA spot, said yesterday (or the day before) that Bush was not honest with us!!

AND YET, today's polls have Kerry down about 6 points nationwide and down as much in key battleground states such as Ohio and Iowa. New Jersey, a solid Democratic state for what must be eons is now neck and neck.

I cannot understand how things can be deteriorating so badly in Iraq, in the midst of a stalled economic recovery, while Bush continues to hold a nationwide six point lead.

I am growing dispondent.

Judd
ps. No disrespect to Ludders, but I though the other thread wassimply getting to long. Hopefully this new, shorter one will see some renewed action.
Posted on: 07 October 2004 by ErikL
Davie o Bhoyo,

You sound more angry than me! Stay cool bro. Cool

Did you enjoy what Kerry said today, following the report on Saddam's lack of WMDs? Something like- "George Bush and the Vice President may well be the last two people on Earth who won't face the truth about Iraq."
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by matthewr
From this week's popbitch:

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Sylvester Stallone's mother insists George Bush
will win the election. She received the message
through the spirit world, via her two psychic dogs.
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Posted on: 08 October 2004 by Berlin Fritz
I trust your expense sheets are getting nicely full Sir ?
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by Bhoyo
quote:
Originally posted by Ludwig:
You sound more angry than me! Stay cool bro. Cool


It's a Florida thing - the shame of living in the great state that brought you the Unpresident!

Yes, I saw that Kerry has GWB looking ever more desperate. Apparently, we now went to war because of the UN oil-for-food scandal! More grounds for shame there - I described myself pre-invasion as a reluctant supporter of the war. Boy, was I wrong to believe Blair and Powell.

Matthew:

Thanks for that. Jackie is an inspiration to us all.

Regards,
Davie
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by bjorne
Reading the posts in this thread by the american citizens fills me with hope. With people like you there is good hope for the US imo. All the best.
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by ErikL
Davie,

The sad thing about FL: a recount won't even be possible this time.
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by Berlin Fritz
I've just watched the end of fun, and I must neutrally admit that both sides were on the ball, and a big thanks to Mr Robinson for not farting in the audience, innit.


G.G.V. Schroeder Big Grin
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by ErikL
Kerry bloodied the President, who looked thoroughly unpresidential, bratty, and on his heels.

So we can contrast with the numbers tomorrow, here are the online instant polls, each number reflecting the percentage who thought Kerry won:

MSNBC: 78%
ABC News: (Couldn't find it; expect the number to be the inverse of the others)
CNN: 83
Fox News: 70
CBS News: 88
Yahoo: 67

Last time MSNBC's poll, for example, took a -15% dip overnight so I'd expect similar this time.
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by Bhoyo
Ludwig:

In fairness, Bush looked way better tonight than he did last week. The format suited him well. He was aggressive, properly prepared and reasonably articulate.

Kerry was excellent again. He stayed calm under relentless attacks. He shaded it for me, but I'm biased.

Now I need to go home and have a drink...

Regards,
Davie
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by matthewr
According to the conspiracy theorists Kerry is actaully debating with Karl Rove.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/salon/0,14779,1323334,00.html
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by ErikL
Davie,

I guess as far as Bush's "aww shucks, ma'am" act you're right but I thought he seemed angry and not so presidential. And according to the USA Today/Gallup poll it was much closer than the online polls suggest- Kerry 47%, Bush 45%.

PS- Pics and info on the Peruvian editorial assistant please. Big Grin
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Justin
quote:
Originally posted by Ludwig:
Kerry bloodied the President, who looked thoroughly unpresidential, bratty, and on his heels.

So we can contrast with the numbers tomorrow, here are the online instant polls, each number reflecting the percentage who thought Kerry won:

MSNBC: 78%
ABC News: (Couldn't find it; expect the number to be the inverse of the others)
CNN: 83
Fox News: 70
CBS News: 88
Yahoo: 67

Last time MSNBC's poll, for example, took a -15% dip overnight so I'd expect similar this time.


I don't know what to make of these online instapolls because CNN is showing a decicive win for Bush this afternoon. This morning (about 5 hours ago) it was clearly in the Kerry column as your numbers indicate).

These wildly crazy numbers (on both sides) suggest internet hacking or, perhaps, something less high-tech such as asymertical poll response.
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by ErikL
People are using tools that vote their choice, then repeat in an infinite loop. That's my theory.

Personally I still think Kerry bloodied Bush, who looked like a total wankstain.
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Bhoyo
quote:
Originally posted by Ludwig:
Bush, who looked like a total wankstain.


Big Grin

Not exactly a presidential word, but it's perfect.

Regards,
Davie (working on the Peruvian request)
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Bhoyo
This you must see: Dubya's notes
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Being the first serious foreign policy election since 1972, and with US -
European relations at an all time low, at least positively speaking the World
can be united in saying in a relieved way "He's gone at last". As the US knows
from countless experiences in Latin America, military intervention just does not
work, though carefully planned trade agreements, eg, NAFTA do eventually get
peoples calmed and interested. Bush is surrounded by very cold people, and even
if you compare him to Nixon or Reagan, at least they had serious brilliant
caring advisors around them to soften the blows so to speak. Kerry will continue
similar policies as things obviously can't change over night, though rebuilding
Eurpean/UN & Other relations will be fairly quick and easy, and Tony Blair, well
for the price of a pint he'll change tack in a flash and sleep with anybody, and
Bush will be immediately forgotten.


Graham George Von Honesty Loses Votes² Eek
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Wolf
I can't stand Bush and his arrogant behavior. If he wins again it will be hell for us who hate him. He'll be worse than ever. I've heard that his largest demographic is young men that never finished high school or college. Ugh! there must be a lot of them, tho that doesn't say much for my father who has a doctorate in Law. Wonder how he can be so hoodwinked in the Republican party.

glenn

Life is analogue, enjoy it while you can.
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Justin
here's my concern (among many): That most of the US ublic will realize the huge mistake they have made in re-electing Bush sometime in December or January. Two months too late.

It will suck.

Judd
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Bhoyo
Justin & Allen:

I'd feel less angry if he'd actually been elected in the first place.

Regards,
Davie
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by ErikL
Davie,

Remain calm ol' buddy!

Nothing's forever.

Ludwig, awaiting Peruvian pics Cool
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Berlin Fritz
quote:
Originally posted by AllenB:
Hear hear Justin!

It's interesting to note how this election seems to be drawing noticibly more interest outside of the USA.

I, for one, will feel alot less safe in this world if Bush is re-elected.

Allen



Unfortunately the American economy affects the rest of the World big style, that's why, though the American people themselves are very inward looking and insular, innit.

Graham George von Lookafternumberonejohn Roll Eyes
Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Bhoyo
Alex:

That's an interesting piece, but anyone tempted to write to a voter in Ohio should take very seriously those admonitions about being seen as interfering and offensive.

Regards,
Davie
Posted on: 13 October 2004 by Berlin Fritz
My bettin's a pre-emtive right hander from Kerry right into Georgies Mush. Cool
Posted on: 13 October 2004 by ErikL
Most amusing comment by Bush in the final debate:

"Our healthcare system is the envy of the world."

Holy fuck people. Eek
Posted on: 13 October 2004 by ejl
That was indeed a funny moment; although Kerry's claim that his health care proposal was not a government program was also a bit strange.

Anyway, I thought it was actually a rather interesting debate; a bit less stumping and a bit more substance.

Incidentally, nearly every poll I saw showed the two neck-and-neck going into this. I didn't see anything in the debate that will swing things significantly. This could be another heart-stoppingly close election.