Which pre (the old 72-102 discussion...)
Posted by: Bas V on 08 November 2000
As I go through the Forum, I keep seeing the same topic over and over again. I will contribute to that with a poll.
System:
CDI - NAC92 - FLATCAP - NAP90/3 - NAT03 - INTRO'S
What to do? Everything I will buy will have to be new, the only s/h item I can get is a 1996 Nac72 for UKP 450.
I had a flatcap with Nait3, replaced it 2 weeks ago with new 72 and used 140 (the flatcap works now with the 72) and I can tell you it is a great improvement in sound and gives much more pleasure to listen to.
Arie
Arie
I was thinking of going to another preamp first and then change my poweramp for a 180 or 250. I think the 140 is an unnecessary step inbetween.
M*** doesn't fit on mi present rack and I want to wait with buying a new one untill I move!
If you have any comments on my reasonings, please go ahead!
Regards Bas V
Does this mean that production has ceased for both of these models? I was under the impression that the 72 was not going to be made any more, but that the 14o would continue.
I was hoping to buy a 72 / 140 early next year, so may have to get in a bit earlier if i'm to get one now?
any thoughts?
matt
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I was hoping to buy a 72 / 140 early next year, so may have to get in a bit earlier if i'm to get one now?
Guess the real question now is which is best 72/140 or 112/150 or the competition...
There are also plenty of second hand 72/140s out there, so that might be a really good option to consider.
Tony.
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but when these will no longer be produced, will the HiCap be replaced? Would be nice if it looked more like a SuperCap ;-)
Bas
A Hi-Cap in Supercap box would not bode well for space demands when used with (say) a SNAXO (or even a CD3.5. how about avoiding 'Ricer'* components - just buy a Supercap if you want the widebody look. They really are four HiCaps for the price of three.
Hey speaking of which, anyone ever tried a 3.5/Supercap? Wow, that could fuel a whole new development on the 3.5/HiCap=CDX debate! ; )
*see the Rice Cop thread in The Padded Cell for further info.
Rico - musichead
Matt
Members here and Naim dealar in Israel whose opinion I trust, saying that the 102 is a better pre than the 72 especialy when comes with the nacsp which is not an expensive power supply.
Arie
I can quote Mike Hanson who told me that he thinks that an unloaded higher leveled pre is better than a full loaded less leveled pre.
Anyway, you can add all the power supplyers and what needed to the better pre later.
Other members told me they think the better way is to buy a used 82 - which coasts as a new 102.
I understand that a 82 is a huge jump compare to the 72 or the 102.
Arie
All I can say that out of all I'd heard, a 102 is a better choise than a 72 (BTE it also has a remote), In Israel it coasts 50% more than the 72, and more then that when comes with the power supply for the didgital.
I understand that here it is also difficulat to find a used 82 'cause it is a very good pre and people are not rushing to upgrade it.
But as I think that a flatcap nait 3 sound like
flatcap 90 92 - a flatcap 72 140 is a very nice improvement too (to my ears....)
Arie
You are right about the 102 sounding unforgiving. However I found that a NAP90 works very well with a 102 and had that setup for about a year. I only experienced problems using the 102 with a NAP180. I had to find the extra money for a NAP250 in order to make a meaningfull upgrade.
In your situation I would go for the 102 and then save for a HiCap. Then get a 250, then a 52, then a 500 and a CDS2, then.........
Darren Miller
"Hey speaking of which, anyone ever tried a 3.5/Supercap? Wow, that could fuel a whole new development on the 3.5/HiCap=CDX debate! ; )"
Good idea Rico, I would _really_ like to hear a CD5 with Supercap, no I'm serious!
Bob
Regards
Superb, apparently.
Naim will tell you this breaks the rules and shouldn't work. There may be reasons not to do this related to sound quality. At you own risk, unfortunately.
cheers, Martin
The 92 and 90 make a great combo for sure. However, if you're thinking of upgrading the pre to a 72 or a 102, the power amp must be upgraded too. I just don't think the 90 is synergistic with a higher pre. If you find a used amp, then upgrade depending on your finances. If you can't find a used amp, then maybe wait until you can afford new components. Either a 72 or a 102 is an upgrade to your 92, you know that. A 102 is better than a 72, unless you're one of those flat earth freaks. Regarding the issue of whether a 72 + hicap is better than a 102 - it would be close for sure and probably depends on the listener. As usual, it's all up to you. If the purchase of a used 72 and a hicap allows you to buy a used or new amp, then that's your best option. Let us know how it goes.
Thanks everybody!
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A 102 is better than a 72, unless you're one of those flat earth freaks.
The 102 is better than the 72 even if you're one of those flat earth freaks.
Joe
Joe, oh wise mentor, I wasn't talking about you --although I do consider you one of those flat earth freaks 
"It's only $400 US more..."
Can't believe that one from a fellow student!!!
Regards, Bas
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and also remember the 72 is being replaced by the newer 112.
I guess the 112 comes instead of the 92. Naim said they are stoping manufacturing the 72 because people are buying the 102 instead.
Arie