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Originally posted by Ludwig:

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:
Personally, I reckon KFC is the best "chav" restaurant

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My what high standards you have.

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Well, at least in a KFC you don't pay tips and OTT prices for mediocre food...

Sorry - I'll NEVER change my mind on restaurants. I've eaten in a few in my time (and even PAID for some of my meals (rather than folks on special occasions etc)) and have NEVER really seen the logic in paying £20+ for the kind of service you get. Stuff that. I'll eat in pubs and bars and that's it...

If you can show me a good restaurant in Exeter that doesn't make you feel like a crim the minute you walk in the door (I really can't see the point in dressing up in a suit and tie to eat food FFS!) AND will give me food that will fill me up for less than the cost of the White Album, I'll take you up on the challenge.

If you can't, I'll stick to cheap bar food and spend money on music thankyouverymuch.

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Just dump me in a plastic bag and leave me on the pavement
A tribute to your modern world, your great society
I'm just another victim of your highrise fantasy!

bhoyo,
you seem to be going out of your way to prove the brutish bullying american stereotype - can something be a stereotype if it's actually true? i'm not hearing anything new either in the way of reasoned rebuttal or even vehment insults still maybe i'm not 'dumbing down'what i say enough. or perhaps it's the fact that i don't use invectives as punctuation as is the american way.
cheers

Julian

P.S. your masterful play on my name has surely disabused me of my opinion that you have no sense of humor. it is trully the crown of original whimsy. by the way the previous sentence is called sarcasm. remember it, it's the same thing that happens when someone pays you a compliment.

but the laughs on you Julian - no doubt Bhoyo will tell you one day

Derek

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Dom
"you feel like a crim"

perhaps it is because you behave and look like a "crim"

Derek

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"can something be a stereotype if it's actually true?"

In this case, only if your stereotype applies to Scotsmen as well as Americans. The name "Bhoyo" might well be considered a clue to Scottish or Irish origins -- unless of course you were fullfilling the English stereotype of a parochial lack of knowledge of other cultures even those right in front of your nose.

Overall I have to agree with Bhoyo. AFAICT you said "All Americans are immoral wankers" and he said "Fuck off". Which seems like a reasonable response to me.

Matthew

Fast food - KFC, McDoobries, Burger King or whatever, serves a purpose and can be OK once in a while. Not all of us are so precious about eating out, and not all of us particularly are bothered about food. My Grandfather used to say he wished he could just take a pill each day rather than be bothered to prepare a meal. If Dom likes fast food and can't see the point with restaurants, then that is fine by me. It's not my point of view, but it's his. Leave him alone.
My uncle is Professor of Seismology at the top college in London, and although is 91 years old, still works and travels to the USA every couple of months to check on his teams and present papers. He will argue that McDonalds is the best meal out anywhere, is nutritious, and goes to get one every few days. When out at a restuarant, he will always complain at the menu and say he would rather be at McDonalds. He generally has a Big Mac & Fries. He may be kidding himself and slightly barmy, but he is not a stupid person. Liking fast food does not make you a stupid person.
I've been a veggie for 17 years, so I don't know what I'm talking about, as usual.

matthew,
if you'd care to re-read what i said that america as a country was an imoral and that most americans seemed to be happy with this state of affairs. only caring that their suv's are full of cheap 'gas',their bellies are full of beef and their guns are full of bullets. how the 'gas', beef and bullets get there is no concern of theirs even if others suffer. to me this is morally wrong. i'm sorry that you don;t seem to agree with my opinion.
as for bhoyo's origins be they scottish, irish or whatever, he lists his location as florida. from his postings i would guess that culture creep has set in and it's too late to save him now.
cheers


julian

Do you think he should be more like you then?

yes

cheers


julian

I tried the "In N' Out Burger" (of Big Lebowski fame) when I was on holiday in California. It seemed a bit better than the average.

On Dom's point, I'm usually happy to pay restaurant prices for food ( for well cooked food, convenience of not cooking yourself) but I won't pay restarant prices for wine. The mark-up is inexcusable.

J2k2

"america as a country was an imoral and that most americans seemed to be happy with this state of affairs."

c /america/uk/*
c /americans/brits/*

"UK as a country was an imoral and that most Brits seemed to be happy with this state of affairs."

Is an equally valid statement.

I have found that Americans are as varied in their morals and philosophies as most other national groups. Because they have greater access to resources they are often able to persue their chosen life style further than most other countries - but no further than the people of other other countries would do if they had access to the resources.

AS regards purity of purpose - I have found some Americans incredibly and embarrasingly pure or self disciplined and hard working.

I guess you chose to live in an inappropriate community when you lived in the promised land.

Derek

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Nothing beats a BigMac after a day of shopping for beef and ammo. Plenty of room for a cow in the back of my Cadillac Escalade.


Lock and load, baby....but first, a steak.

Derek,
i'd not disagree with your substitutions. i like to think that i'm not hipcritical enough to do that.
my main problem with american culture is it's obsession with self interest, from money, to guns to foreign policy it's a case of 'me first and the devil take the hindmost' the uk has some of this attitude but no where near the same extent as the usa. at least in the uk you aren't left in a hospital waiting room vomiting blood just because you have no proof of medical insurance or a credit card that the receptionist can recognise. similarly in the uk none of my friends sleep with loaded guns under their matresses and excitedly talk about shooting an intruder.
my decision to leave the states was based purely on the question of where to bring up children. in most if not all aspects of this i thought it best to do this in the uk.

emil,
i like the cut of your jibe is long island perchance close to 3 mile island? as surely your humour is a genetic abberation....
cheers


julian

It is not unknown for people in the UK to be left on trolleys in hospital waiting for a bed or to be seen in the A&E not due to lack of credit card but due to lack of resources and organisation in the hospital.

THere are many Brits who would happily have guns at their bedside and be very happy to infill the intruder with lead. But have been thwarted by restrictive laws that ensure that only illegal guns are on the streets.


SO some things are more difficult to achieve in the UK but people are still happy to achieve them.

As for self interest - our politicians are past masters at that - the objectives of all the leading politicians is to get in power so that they can then plan how to remain in power.

Where we you living in the US.

DO not understand your comments about the islands

Derek

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i like the cut of your jibe is long island perchance close to 3 mile island? as surely your humour is a genetic abberation....
cheers

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lol
No, the only nuclear plant near me is Shorham and that was closed before it even opened.

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none of my friends sleep with loaded guns under their matresses and excitedly talk about shooting an intruder.

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None of my friends either but if an intruder enters my home, he'll get a taste of my lightening fast Kung-fU skills.

Exactly who were your neighbors in the US? Klansmen?
You have too much animus in you, my friend. Let it go.

derek,
i see an ethical / moral difference between not treating someone due to lack of resources / prioritisation and not treating someone due to them not having insurance or enough money.

as the per capita death rate from guns is hugely smaller in the uk than it is in the usa i much prefer living in the uk in this case (see: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166 or google it up)

politicians are scum the world over i'm with you on that one however i didn't vote for the current scum in power in the uk (and i believe that no one voted for those in the usa) so i can take the moral high ground here.

i was living in austin, tx.

another example of the 'joys' of living in the states. i'm off to meet some friends on 6th st when a guy asks me to sign a petition. out of nowhere a bike (pushbike) cop appears draws his gun and pushes both of us up against a nearby wall. it turns out he'd seen the guy hand me something, assumes it's drugs and goes into 'rambo' mode. when he realises that he's made a mistake and that i'm not american i get the 3rd degree about my immigration status etc. oh the joy of living in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

the islands comments were perhaps a slightly bad taste comment on the fact that emil seems to be uncharacteristicly in posession of a sense of humor about these things (imho the only way to be in the current world climate) i was wondering if this was due to radiation exposure in the best traditions of marvel and the teenage mutant ninja turtles. hence asking if long island was near 3 mile island.
cheers


julian

FFS, ignore the troll. It was annoying to start with, but now just sad and depressing considering he/she is a parent.

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Originally posted by Julian2002:
another example of the 'joys' of living in the states. i'm off to meet some friends on 6th st when a guy asks me to sign a petition. out of nowhere a bike (pushbike) cop appears draws his gun and pushes both of us up against a nearby wall. it turns out he'd seen the guy hand me something, assumes it's drugs and goes into 'rambo' mode. when he realises that he's made a mistake and that i'm not american i get the 3rd degree about my immigration status etc. oh the joy of living in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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It's 1971. It's Muswell Hill Broadway London, at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. My friend and I are looking for a flat to rent. He steps out of a phone box, having phoned a prospective landlord and hands me a piece of paper with the address on it.

At that point a black maria disgorges around 8 policemen who grab us both, push us up against the wall and proceed to energetically (and with evident relish) search us whilst exercising their right to verbally abuse us.

We enjoyed about 30 minutes of this treatment before they let us go and then followed us while we trudged off (late) to view the flat. No apology, just an invitation to fuck off from the neighbourhood.

Admittedly, they didn't carry guns, but I fail to see the difference in stories, do you Julian?

nick.lees at btinternet.com

Oh, and Ludwig, thanks for the link. It brought back many happy memories of living in the States. Admittedly living in Queens was a bit scary and not somewhere I'd ordinarily choose to bring my family to, but my memories of Ann Arbor Michigan, Dover Delaware, Providence Rhode Island are of places where the people were universally friendly, helpful, hospitable, and (endearingly) provincial.

nick.lees at btinternet.com

Austin is a great place, I have had several enjoyable visits to Austin for work purposes - an interesting place - however I think Texas is quite an extreme place in the US.

It is also the place where I came across some of the strongest closed mind attitudes that I have ever met. The responses to certain situations was very extreme. Surprisingly extreme.

The Michael Moore film "Bowling for Columbine" does help to explain some of the issues in the US that seperates it from other countries


The Three Mile Island location is near Harrisburg in Pennsylvania whereas Long Island is the 110 mile length of "sand" that goes east from NYC

It is very sad that your experience of the US was so jaded - because it is quite a nice place with some nice folk in it with fantastic scenery. And more importantly it has space - unlike the UK

Derek

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nick,
as i said or implied before. i don't think the uk is a perfect place to live just that for the things i consider important it's better than the usa.

derek,
it was more the contrast between what one minute seemed to be a rational human being and the same person a few minutes late whipping up their matress and fondling their gun with a gleam in their eye and their utter disbelief at my surprise when they revealed that they owned a gun.
bowling for columbine didn't quite sit right with me. it had that feeling of being a film made in the best traditions of jerry springer and oprah. the airing of dirty laundry as entertainment.
i was pretty sure that they wouldn't have stuck a nuclear reactor in the middle of what is perhaps the most cramped, densely populated places on the planet although that said i believe the UT in austin had a small nuclear (nucular? ) reactor. i made the connection purely for comedic license
cheers


julian

The Three Mile Island location is near Harrisburg in Pennsylvania whereas Long Island is the 110 mile length of "sand" that goes east from NYC
Sand? I must take exception



Discover "Lawngiland"

Steak anyone?

OK OK

Derek

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Dom
"you feel like a crim"

perhaps it is because you behave and look like a "crim"

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Slander, eh? Could do with some cash for libel there actually... Seriously though, in what way do I "behave like a crim" - the only way I can think is with the occasional doobie and they're decrim'd now, so ner. Besides, are you totally squeaky clean? Few people are...

I didn't actually say I "liked" fast food, but if I'm out in town I'd rather eat fast food and have more time for other things, than waste an hour waiting for the food, and then pay a premium for it. That said, I'd rather pay the food markup than the wine one - wine prices in restaurants are REALLY crim - IMHO of course.

Oh yeah, I don't bother with the dating game either, so that's another reason I don't waste money on poncey nouveau (sp??) cuisine and slow service, but each to their own. I'm not digging at people who DO eat in restaurants - I can see why people do it; it's just like, with foreign holidays, you soon forget about the experience. The savings I make on my "dining out" (he he) give me more music, which lasts much longer.

Don't forget - we don't all have massive unlimited budgets...

__________________________
Don't wanna be cremated or buried in a grave
Just dump me in a plastic bag and leave me on the pavement
A tribute to your modern world, your great society
I'm just another victim of your highrise fantasy!

What is this about not getting medical treatment in the ER's in the UNited States.

EMTALA requires all emergency rooms (and all facilities that provide emergency and urgent care services) to treat all people who present themselves for medical care without regard to their ability to pay. Whether you have medical insurance or not, or whether you have money or not, you can walk into any hospital in the United States and receive medical care. This care involves that which is necessary to "stabilize" the patient, which may include relatively minor care (sutures) or more robust care such as open-cranial surgery - all curtesy of the US Department of Health and Human Services.

EMTALA:

http://www.emtala.com/statute.txt

This is the statute. It is HUGELY illuminated by the regulations as well, which I have not linked to.

With some exceptions, of course.
Judd