Naim - switch-off

...but, if the thermal cycling of frequent switch-offs reduces the life of a component, the carbon footprint may be increased by needing to throw the expensive boxes away more often.

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...but, if the thermal cycling of frequent switch-offs reduces the life of a component, the carbon footprint may be increased by needing to throw the expensive boxes away more often.

Is Naim equipment really that fragile?

I don't think it's fragile as such, but I am reliably informed it is a fact that there is more likelihood of a unit failing when being powered up than there is of it failing once it is running. I'm no engineer but I was told it has something to do with the surge of electricity as the "floodgates" are opened.
Besides the damage caused must be inconsequential when compared to the damage caused by buses (running round empty half the time), aeroplanes and other family vehicles (that in general are too big and too powerful for the tasks required of them).
I think this thread has been covered previously. You'd probably be better off trying to convince every person in your street to recycle their household waste.
Regards,
Steve O.

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From experience, I find having energy burning 24/7 does not in reality improve sound, but having electricity in the future probably will.

Driving the car a little less, flying a little less and turning down the central heating will do far more to reduce fuel consumption than turning off the stereo.

Nigel

I leave all my electical units on all the time because it will save the planet;

You switch all your electrical units on and off according to use which is clearly dangerous to the environment;

He never switches his electrical units on, which will surely kill us all.

Of course, if your ears don't tell you it's no different, then it is quite right to switch them off (while failure is more likely to occur during switching, constantly leaving them on may wear some components more so it probably balances out). However, in energy it is cheaper to switch off, and I would do it if I didn't hear a sonic penalty.

That's not to be reckless about energy (I use efficient bulbs - don't own a tumble dryer or a dish washer, and I use public transport to get to work - taken together, the effect of leaving the naim on is pretty minimal in terms of global warming, yet makes a big difference to my enjoyment of life). For what it's worth, I do turn off fully things like the TV - since I don't think there's a quality argument.

regards, Tam

I think that thinking about the trip you are making in your car, and combining 2 places within the same trip, if you get my meaning, will save more...

As an aside.

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Originally posted by Tam:
...I don't own a dishwasher...

It is commonly held that diswashers must consume more energy than hand dishwashing. And I was thinking that myself.

But, to my surprise, it was in the news fairly recently that using a modern dishwasher (full loaded) is in fact more energy efficient than doing the equivilent amount by hand.

Can't point you to the source, I'm afraid.

James

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Originally posted by Chumpy:
As I/others have said before, it is about time Naim encouraged their users to switch-off their expensive boxes when not being used to play/record sound.

Feel free to do as you wish.

Not-very-Nanny Adam

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Originally posted by JWM:
As an aside.

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Originally posted by Tam:
...I don't own a dishwasher...

It is commonly held that diswashers must consume more energy than hand dishwashing. And I was thinking that myself.

But, to my surprise, it was in the news fairly recently that using a modern dishwasher (full loaded) is in fact more energy efficient than doing the equivilent amount by hand.

[expletive deleted]

I guess that must have been the ITV news.

How do they work out how much energy manual dishwashing uses FFS.

Dear Stephen,

That is a good point. I suspect you would need to calculate the energy used to heat the water (which is surely a factor of how efficient a boiler you have) and then how much more energy the washer-upper used that if (s)he was sitting on the sofa while the dishwasher ran (and, more importantly, how much extra air was respired). I have to say, if one had an efficient boiler, I would find the result to be surprising.

regards, Tam

p.s. Just to clarify, my previous post was not to rubbish the research, but to express my annoyance at having toiled, possibly for no very good reason.

Yes, I believe the comparison was of the 'a shower* is better than bath full of hot water' sort, because of the relative amounts of heated water consumed.

I think also included is the fact that in a d/w the dishes get rinsed with equally hot water, which requires an additional bowlful with handwashing. Also, with handwashing it is sometimes necessary to draw a second amount of washing water for a large/really dirty load.

But, you do get more exercise and stand some chance of talking to one another.

James

* I also understand that a bath is better than a power shower. (Ours is not a power shower and the water has to run uphill all the way - more dribble than shower. But equally, shallowness of bath tub makes it more of a basting than a bath.)

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Originally posted by JWM:
As an aside.

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Originally posted by Tam:
...I don't own a dishwasher...

It is commonly held that diswashers must consume more energy than hand dishwashing. And I was thinking that myself.

But, to my surprise, it was in the news fairly recently that using a modern dishwasher (full loaded) is in fact more energy efficient than doing the equivilent amount by hand.

Can't point you to the source, I'm afraid.

James

It all depends on how much the steak an onion sandwich costs on ya tea break.

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:
It all depends on how much the steak an onion sandwich costs on ya tea break.

Is that an African or a European onion?
[monty-smiley]

The dishwasher-info is of course bollox, as any child/grown-up would know if they have washed dishes/cutlery/saucepans etc.

I like Naim, because once they knew about good sound/still do if you know what to buy.

Even if I shortly purchase not cheap 'current top' Naim stuff, I assure you/them that if I am not actually listening/recording through their bits their boxes will be switched-off from mains.

Any company that seriously can only provide crap electronic designs that need to be 'on' 24/7 will soon be out of business.

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Any company that seriously can only provide crap electronic designs that need to be 'on' 24/7 will soon be out of business.

You're obviously just visiting this planet.

Welcome.

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Originally posted by Chumpy:
The dishwasher-info is of course bollox

A carefully considered scientific term?

I do hope we can look forward to further such pearls of wisdom.

JWM, the clue's in the name.

having a dishwasher has improved my life so much, I'd rather turn the Naim off.

Info on dishwashers v hand washing.

I compensate by flying little, driving little, using low energy bulbs and appliances. You makes yer choices......

Regards

Stephen

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Originally posted by Stephen Bennett:
Info on dishwashers v hand washing.

That'll be Chumpy's "bollox", then.

James

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Originally posted by Chumpy:
Even if I shortly purchase not cheap 'current top' Naim stuff, I assure you/them that if I am not actually listening/recording through their bits their boxes will be switched-off from mains.

I can see myself sleeping peacefully tonight - or, possibly, tomorrow night.

The problem with hand washing dishes is that, unless particularly obsessional about rinsing, you are left with a detergent residue which is now thought to be carcinogenic. Just to cheer you up

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Originally posted by Rockingdoc:
The problem with hand washing dishes is that, unless particularly obsessional about rinsing, you are left with a detergent residue which is now thought to be carcinogenic. Just to cheer you up

So I'm using more energy AND I'm going to die. Great! Better go and listen to some music on my system (that's been switched on all day!).

regards, Tam

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Originally posted by Chumpy:
The dishwasher-info is of course bollox, as any child/grown-up would know if they have washed dishes/cutlery/saucepans etc.

I'm not sure exactly what you're suggesting is rubbish - that they're more efficient or that if one leaves one's kit on, not amount of other environmentally sound behaviour is going to make up for it.

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Even if I shortly purchase not cheap 'current top' Naim stuff, I assure you/them that if I am not actually listening/recording through their bits their boxes will be switched-off from mains.

And that would be entirely your choice (I know others with naim kit who make the same choice), however, every single piece of naim kit I have owned has sounded better left switched on. The experience of many others here is the same.

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Any company that seriously can only provide crap electronic designs that need to be 'on' 24/7 will soon be out of business.

And buy the same logic the manufacturers of F1 tyres are also responsible for 'crap' designs since they too need warming up before they work well. I'm sure if I could be bothered to think about it there are a multitude of other similarly 'crap' designs.

regards, Tam