Naim - switch-off

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The dishwasher-info is of course bollox, as any child/grown-up would know if they have washed dishes/cutlery/saucepans etc.

Then I suggest you sue the dishwasher industry for lieing, as it is quoted often enough.

As for your statement

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Any company that seriously can only provide crap electronic designs that need to be 'on' 24/7 will soon be out of business.

Then please carry on and do just as you please.

Just please do not expect me to follow, or even try to force / coerce me.

There are way larger forces that should be addressed well in advance of having to turn off the Hi Fi from idle / standby.

Trying to reverse the trend of buying cheap chinese / indian / 'far east' produced goods would be a very, very, very good place to start.. IMO of course
As far as I am concerned I CAN hear a difference between equipment that is left on and that which has been swithched off,- perhaps I need to employ someone to turn it all on a few hours before I am going to / perhaps/ listen to it.

Again, purely personal..

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There are way larger forces that should be addressed well in advance of having to turn off the Hi Fi from idle / standby.

Quite, snowflakes in an avalanche.

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As far as I am concerned I CAN hear a difference between equipment that is left on and that which has been switched off,-

Absolutely, which is why the manual recommends leaving it on.

Personal choice as always.

hi,

I find my kit from cold sounds lifeless, only after a few days warm up does the sound start to really open up just like a flower that comes out to bloom.

regards

Whilst agreeing that most mains-powered 'clock' devices probably need to be switched on to display representation of time, most other mains-devices work when switched on/do not need to be powered-up 24/7.

Whilst presently certain manufacturers - possibly to wear out users' components/justify 'maintenance' servicing charges - are permitted by brain-dead government-members throughout Western and soon Eastern world to encourage energy-waste, it is logically/humanly preferable that people will - if incapable of acting responsibly - be compelled legislatively to feel which way the wind is blowing.

I do not 'compel' people to do what I believe, and just as Mr Meredith has suggested is my choice, one day I hope you all will be kind to this/other planets.

I do however wish we elected decent leaders who could lead effectively, and kick butt when the citizens' 'free' choices are bad for now/the future (e.g. to save knocking out the Amazon/each other on roads, cyclists now are encouraged to knock down people on pavements).

I quite agree that manufacturers are being allowed to manufacture stuff that is more likely to be traumatically-challenged at power-on/off.

The problem in audio with blinkers is that people wear them over their ears.

I am convinced that effectively washing-up manually is better for all apart from (short-term....) dishwasher/electricity business leeches.

Last evening whilst remaining cool I/my family switched-on Naim stuff/listened to Beach Boys then switched off stuff having removed disk.

I hope that you all enjoy listening through your boxes/switch-off when not so doing.

I cannot force you - ideally you would force yourselves/we all would reap the benefits (long term).

Dear Chumpy,

I read you words with some surprise. ... " I am not going to compel, but..." Well I am glad you are not my "elected" leader, and that is a fact.

What is your position on Taxation of Aviation Fuel?

It might be instructive for you to answer this question without a lead from me...

Fredrik

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The problem in audio with blinkers is that people wear them over their ears.

You OBVIOUSLY know one hell of a lot more than all the rest of us on here put together, so I will refrain from going near this one again.

As for your understanding of CO2 emmissions on a worldwide scale and what impact it would have to have us turn of our hi fi.. you obviously know very little - other than what you have been lead to beleive by what you have read somewhere.

To me, it is pretty obvious that all of those self-indulgents should get a grip/demonstrate responsibility - there are ways off getting around which are less damaging ...

Obviously there are brain-dead immoral reprobates who need moral leading - fortunately for you, the evolution of the human species currently because of inherent greed/profit-motive gives YOU the CHOICE to be greedy/wrong.

What a fascinating discussion and certainly one to muse over while we continue to have this wonderful hot weather.

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Obviously there are brain-dead immoral reprobates who need moral leading

No sir. That is the last thing people need, especially by zealots.

Your morals are guided by what has persueded you is 'right'. Various folk have led nations to war with similar resolve.

This planet has throughout it's history managed to get very hot and very cold without man's intervention - and it will continue to do so.

Perhaps you would feel better in some tree-hugging forum elsewhere? In the meantime, why not leave people to enjoy the fruits of their labour in the ways that they choose?

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Originally posted by JWM:
... I do hope we can look forward to further such pearls of wisdom.

Having indeed now had a couple more 'such pearls of wisdom' from Chumpy's hand, I am put in mind of two things:

1) Perhaps people would be more attuned to the voice of 'prophets' (self-proclaimed or otherwise) if they weren't so plain bl**dy rude.

2) A comment by Stephen Fry - that it is prejudice that is, in fact, the world's greatest labour/energy-saving device - it saves having to think.

James

Dear Chumpy,

You did not answer my point, which (hint) is far more significant than leaving on a few quiescent black boxes. My goodness, I am glad you are not my leader, elected or not, though I suspect unlikely to be elected.

Do you buy your electronics as shipped imports? Do you drive a car? Do you change your car often? Do you use retreads or new tyres? Do you fly when if you go on holiday? Do you walk to the shops for groceries? Do you use the train at every reasonable opportunity? Do you have your milk delivered in glass? Do you leave your water heater always on? Do you buy grocery with a view to the level of packaging? Do you you use aerosole cans? etc. There any any number of ways we can help reduce our impact on the environment. Is your sole conrribution is to leave a few black boxes turned off between use?

There is a miriad of bigger things you could do, so I would be glad to read what else you do do.

Otherwise, in my view, you would do well to quit the moral high horse! You have made your point with clarity, if not economy.

Fredrik

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Do you buy your electronics as shipped imports? Do you drive a car? Do you change your car often? Do you use retreads or new tyres? Do you fly when if you go on holiday? Do you walk to the shops for groceries? Do you use the train at every reasonable opportunity? Do you have your milk delivered in glass? Do you leave your water heater always on? Do you buy grocery with a view to the level of packaging? Do you you use aerosole cans?

Don't tell him Pike!

My My, what fervour..

I have a vision of King Chumpy sitting on the shore shouting at the tide of incoming CO2 emmisions saying No.. I forbid you to come here, I have turned off all my black boxes religiously....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve S1:
This planet has throughout it's history managed to get very hot and very cold without man's intervention - and it will continue to do so.
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Very true. However, this time round its getting hot with a lot of help from us. Most credible scientific reports (i.e. those not funded by the oil industry) suggest human society will be unsutainable in its present form inside a century. Half-wit Blair's solution is nuclear, which is no solution at all.

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Very true. However, this time round its getting hot with a lot of help from us. Most credible scientific reports (i.e. those not funded by the oil industry) suggest human society will be unsutainable in its present form inside a century.

Yet we can't predict what the weather is going to be like more than 5 days in advance.

I think Chumpy's no doubt heartfelt ire should be directed at the vandals who are denuding South America of thousands of hectares of rain forest every week. My miniscule "misuse" of energy in leaving my naim kit on standby really isn't in the same league.

And have you any idea how much energy is used by the Cray and NEC supercomputers used by the Met Office to derive those forecasts?

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Originally posted by Chumpy:
To me, it is pretty obvious that all of those self-indulgents should get a grip/demonstrate responsibility - there are ways off getting around which are less damaging ...

Obviously there are brain-dead immoral reprobates who need moral leading - fortunately for you, the evolution of the human species currently because of inherent greed/profit-motive gives YOU the CHOICE to be greedy/wrong.

Dear Chumpy,

I have rather a problem with being lectured to in the manner you are seeking to on this thread (as I suspect do a great many others). As I have stated above, I do try to make environmentally friendly choices in a great many aspects of my life and hi-fi is the one area where I do not. There are a great many people in this world a good deal worse. Furthermore, there are a great many things that have a more significant impact (what about Fredrik's comment on aviation fuel).

I also wonder how much of a glass house you are living in. Do you use public transport wherever possible? Do you use carbon credits when you fly? Do you choose your food purchases in order to minimise food miles? I could go on and on to list many more things that are far more significant that leaving one's hi-fi switched on.

regards, Tam

Surely if Naim amps are considered not to be environmentally friendly then valve amps and class A amps are right out.

Still not to worry; at least the weather is nice this week.

Does anybody know how long this warm spell is going to last?

Dear ROTF,

This is a good point (and according to this digest of his posts, one JW himself made on occasion - you'll have to search through them for 'class a').

Also possibly worth noting that leaving one's system on is probably only 'bad' for the environment about half the year. After all, when left on, most of the wasted energy is getting turned to heat (thus saving fractionally on your thermostat) so it's only in the summer it's bad.

regards, Tam

If not co2 changing the weather - what about the moon leaving us one and a half inches a year?
Contributing to the earth wobble, freak weather patterns as a result looks like were all doomed i tell ya DOOMED!

regards (enjoying the music)

Life is too short to worry about this issue, Perspective is a wonderfull thing

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Originally posted by David Leedham:
Perspective is a wonderfull thing

Not always - see this link

Overheard this morning on Radio 4's Today.

Presenter to Californian Weather Boffin - "So this hot weather has people wondering about Global Warming, what do you think?"

Weather Boffin - "Well, the first six months of 2006 in California were the hottest since records began - so there might be something in it".

Presenter - "When do records go back to?"

Weather Boffin - "1895".

My point here is that the earth's warming up (on average) and cooling down periods have been proved to last much longer than 100 years at a time!

Therefore any judgements or predictions based on such tiny scraps of information, (relative to the history of the planet) have to be treated with caution.

Although of course, those with certain political and socal agendas as to what they think people ought to be allowed to do - seize on such items at every opportunity.

It doesn't help that the meeja loves nothing more than to frighten people at every opportunity - and with silly season approaching, expect more of same, sigh.

My dad was saying something on roughly similar lines not too long ago. I must admit that whilst I'm concerned about global warming and all of that stuff, it does occur to me as well that the earth has being going through periods of climate change all through its history, and that these periods have lasted hundreds, even thousands of years.

Why should things be any different now?