Naim - switch-off

My dishwasher washes better when it's left on 24/7.

JonR

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Why should things be any different now?

Because of us. We are the new phenomenon. While it's true that we may not be the cause of the current trend, pumping carbon that has been stored for millions of years into the atmosphere is probably not a good idea anyhow.
Better to be safe than Venus, surely?

Regards
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Stephen

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Presenter - "When do records go back to?"

Weather Boffin - "1895".

My point here is that the earth's warming up (on average) and cooling down periods have been proved to last much longer than 100 years at a time!

Of course, we have evidence of the variation of past temperature over millions of years using ice core,Paleontological and other methodologies.

The media may use 100 years, but scientists do not!

Regards

Stephen

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Although of course, those with certain political and socal agendas as to what they think people ought to be allowed to do - seize on such items at every opportunity.

And there are those with certain business and economical agendas (oil companies, car manufacturers) who have a vested interest in denying the scientific evidence of global warming.

Of course, a few thousand enthusiasts leaving their hifi switched on 24/7 is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. Mine sounds fine from cold (or I have tin ears and can't tell the difference) so I switch it off overnight, but it's not a hanging matter IMO.

Dear Friends,

Here is a strange revelation! Given the forecast of some thunder I turned everything off, and after work just turned everything back on, and got on with a couple of hours of some splendid listening. Guess what? I did not notice anything wrong at all, and it just struck me!

Certainly when I was the proud owner of the NAP 180 (in the current line up) a few moons ago, there was an appreciable warm up to the set, but honestly with a NAP 200 it is glorious, even after more or less ten hours switch off.

Perhaps the situation might be different in the cold time of the year, but no bad effect was obvious at all to me. Possibly it can be used as a heating adjunct in the cold time and left off in the warm time...

There you are Chumpy, and I don't mind admitting it! The only thing is that any possible saving would be misiscule in any case. Given the thunder risk I shall repeat the process tomorrow, but maybe we don't need to run the kit full time in very warm ambient conditions to get the best from it...

Fredrik

First, I apologise to all who think that my occasional handle denotes who I am, anymore than anyone else's describes them - 'Chumpy' is a merge of mine/my wife's, and like most women apart form Margaret Thatcher-a few others she is frightened to speak.

Secondly I apologise for blaming Naim for electricity/component waste when there are far far worse offenders in the indiscriminate profit-gaining waste of resources.

My conflict with leadership is that I am usually happy not to lead, but often I have lead (well) when the leaders have been proven wrong.

I am more than happy:

a) to use my toys to my satisfaction i.e. switching on/off as I require.
b) to continue being 'green' (much like the Naim unneccessary logo) by not driving/flying etc/using as little as poss./recycling what little I/my family use (water-food-packaging-toys etc).
c) as someone who learned decades ago about 'earth hot-cold' cycles when an archaeologist (until I objected to digging up interred individuals without their permission), I accept that probably this planet would go its own way whatever we did, be it nuclear or capitalism-led.

I agree that in UK as in 1976/1995 we have had hot weather.

I am convinced that various manufacturers will (pre-legislation) sell MORE because of being 'green'.

Thanks for your inputs, from which I shall learn/benefit.

As regards this interesting mostly male consumer activity of audio-reproduction etc, I have enjoyed spending money doing what experts advised us to do/eventually deciding what is right for me/my hearing music.

P.S. I am actually a socialist, who believes that right should be might/that right makes more real wealth/that people should have freedom of choice unless wrongly afflicting others.

I do think fundamentally that if communally/internationally/interterrestrially we all got it together-opposed effectively common wrongs that it is better for our souls.

'Music Of The Spheres'.

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Certainly when I was the proud owner of the NAP 180 (in the current line up) a few moons ago, there was an appreciable warm up to the set, but honestly with a NAP 200 it is glorious, even after more or less ten hours switch off.

I can appreciate that Fredrik.

My room is very warm during this heat and when we are not around there is little ventilation.

So I turn everything off. The units don't take anything like the same time to warm up.

To be fair I never leave the power-amp on as it warms up very quickly. The CD player and pre are the problem in normal temperatures. They seem to improve over several hours.

Hence the advice in the manual I guess.

Steve.

Dear Fredrik,

Most interesting, though I wonder if the results would be the same in the dead of winter.

For the record, I would very much like to hear no difference and leave my kit off during the day (of course, my kit is predominantly olive/chrome and is likely to remain so) and over night.

regards, Tam

An update, in this hot weather, which may be why...

As the Met Office have no more idea than the next person as to when the heat wave will degenerate into thunder, I have been turning everything off when not listening, and honestly it is not worse in my view, so I guess I shall stick to this policy now, at least until the Autumn, when it will again become my sole form of house heating. I will not use central heating - STOP. [Two reasons; conscience about wasing fuel when another jumper or blanket serve better in every way, and secondly the possibity of frightening fuel bills...].

If I notice any significant improvement them, I will post about it.

Like the issue of running in, I suspect that this may be subject to a fair degree of exageration.

In the oldern days, I used to leave the CDS2 and pre- on and the power amp off, and I suspect that this may have been a fair compromise. Going back further, I used to leave my previously non-Naim kit on always, as it occasionally would have a fit on start up, being so terribly ancient before it finally died altogether.

ATB from Fredrik

Fred

If you look at the thread about thunderstrikes you can see where thunder is occuring at the moment - you then can make a more informed assumption on the likelihood of a storm passing by.

To add the to the debate about switching off the system - after an "overnight off" the system was still sound harsh after being back on for 12 hours - this was with solo violin - I guess with stuff by the White Stripes the haeshness may enhance the desired effect

Dear Derek,

My system never does sound harsh actually, and my listening is a good 90% classical. Bright as a button but never tipping into harshness...

Mine has nights and mornings on and afternoons off, because I am working 14:00 to 22:00 hours.

I guess that when the weather get more reasonable again it will probably stay on all the time, but when it is like this, thunder can brew up very quickly in the evening, when I could do nothing about it, so it is just a caution thing.

It really has not ruined it at all, for all that. Maybe I just listen through it, as I always have. I don't notice noisy recordings like most people, and have no issue with 78 surface noise. For a while the only replay I had was a small wind-up gramophone, so perhaps that was good training...

Fredrik

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Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
And have you any idea how much energy is used by the Cray and NEC supercomputers used by the Met Office to derive those forecasts?

£166,000ish for a quarter IIRC. And you're behind the times - it's all NEC now - SX6 and SX8 machines. Some serious hardware - would love to see what GTA San Andreas'd run like on one of those puppies...

It's things like cable boxes and microwaves that wind me up - why they need to have clocks on them and/or use as much power in standby as in use (in cable boxes in particular) is beyond me.

I also think shops should be forced to turn off window display lights after midnight - that'd save a lot of juice.

As for aviation fuel - the sooner it's taxed, the better. With teleconferencing, e-mail, and fax there IS no need to jet around the world for meetings. ...and the sooner homeworking embraces the same technologies, the better.

Charging school run drivers a £10/day congestion charge would also help - if the journey's under 2 miles. You can walk that in half an hour - probably only 10 minutes more than it takes in the selfish gridlock your poncy hairdresser-mobiles cause.

As for global warming, I can FEEL the sun burns more now than it did when I was younger - it also seems harder to see in bright sunlight. Not sure if that's down to the ozone layer or something else, but UV levels are rising - I'm sure of it.

This summer's a case in point - sticky, nasty and stuffy - bring on a thunderstorm please!

Interesting how the non participaters are ready to stop, ban and generally prevent other people from doing things.

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Interesting how the non participaters are ready to stop, ban and generally prevent other people from doing things.

Indeed.

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Interesting how the non participaters are ready to stop, ban and generally prevent other people from doing things.

Bit like the ban on hunting really. Very sad...

Fredrik

Back on topic, I left it on today, as I forgot, and i is finer in a a small degree. I hate the bumping sound that goes with turning it on and off as well.

Fredrik