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After realising the only copy of relayer I have is in frightning condition I was glad to find a copy this weekend for 3 quid.

Its an original, plum and black label and again the black bars over the record label exist. Very odd.

Great condition record though.

Right you lot -- I too bought Relayer the week it came out. Perhaps I'm being incredibly thick and/or blind, but I can see no trace of anything resembling a credit card anywhere on the cover. What are you on (about)?

The inner left sleeve on mine is misannotated. It reads:

Chris Squire ---- Jon Anderson ---- Patrick Moraz ---- Steve Howe ---- Alan White

It should read:

Chris Squire ----Steve Howe ---- Alan White ---- Jon Anderson ---- Patrick Moraz

What a cockup.

Under the photo are various credits, unusually and ironically including "Paste up by Mke Allison" -- poor sod. There is also the line:

Published by Topographic Music Ltd |||||||||||||||||||||

where "|||||||||||||||||||||" is an overprinted blackout, obviously designed to conceal some sort of military secret.

The centre label of mine is a custom "Relayer" sunburst over a miniature of the Roger Dean sleeve artwork. The runout groove contains the matrix number with the suffix "A4" on side 1, and "B1" on side 2, alongside the word "Porky" (both sides).

The really remarkable thing about this album's packaging is that there is virtually no sign of the record company -- just "Atlantic" on the outside spine and a tiny Atlantic logo on the centre label. Don't think that would happen now! Absolutely amazing music, IMHO. Saw them twice on the Relayer tour.

Best;

Mark

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Just reread the above... "credit" not "credit card". Freudian, eh. It all makes sense now -- obviously my copy is one of those affected. Sorry and all that.

Presumably Mile Allison ended up pasting up the Telegraph, but "Porky"; where he???

Best;

Mark

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The plot thickens!

I have an original and a later realease and looking carefully the later realease also has black outs only more prominant covering more information. Its not well done because you can still see the tops of letters.

However I have established it was Published by Topographic music which was blacked out on the original, but put back in on the later realease, where I guess published by Atlantic has been removed. Obviously some credit dispute.

Matt grey cardboard inner sleeve with only the lyrics on it?

Best;

Mark

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snigger.

Thanks lots -- that made my day!

Best;

Mark

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Ok, I gave this one a second half listen, and Wonderous Stories and awaken have potential. Awaken especially, although I couldn't seem to get the volume level right, maybe I need grunt than the mighty Nait 5 can give it.

I had just cleaned the LP with the Disco Doctor Miracle disc cleaner ( Go here if you are anorak enough for it LP cleaner ), and very often the first play after a Disc Doc treatment is underwhelming, this time there was clarity and contrast. Needs more listens.

N.B. Health Warning Don't go near 'Alpha' by Asia (Downes, Howe, Whetton, Palmer), since I am on a Yes kick and I like some of the projects tha John Whetton had been involved with I gave this a punt (at €1.50, hardly extravegant). Shite! early 80s american stadium dreck.

Peter

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[re: red / plum label 1st UK pressings] Looks like these go for about £30 these days from Ebay & a few dealers that I've looked over.

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Wahey! Guess who found red / plum copy of Fragile yesterday (matrix ending in /1 i.e. first pressing) complete with book for £1.25... off to ebay it goes! Cover EX vinyl a very clean sounding NM. I'm going to see what kind of stupid money I get for my EX/EX mono copy of Revolver (2nd 1966 pressing) too.

Tony.

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Originally posted by Tony Lonorgan:

Wahey! Guess who found red / plum copy of Fragile yesterday (matrix ending in /1 i.e. first pressing) complete with book for £1.25... off to ebay it goes! Cover EX vinyl a very clean sounding NM. I'm going to see what kind of stupid money I get for my EX/EX mono copy of Revolver (2nd 1966 pressing) too.

Tony.

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So if you could find a few of those every month you'll keep the wolf from the door! The mono revolver will probably sell for a lot more, mightbe worth your while sticking it on ebay.com seems as if over on the left side of the atlantic they'll pay silly money for the right beatles pressing.

Peter

Tony, whats a matrix? Is it the number at the end of atlantic on the side? mines a 1, clearly original.

No fricking book though!

won't be selling it as ironically of the three copies I have this one is in best nick.

BTW who or what is Porky? Its on the actual record scratched in on the run out?

whilst we are on it does anyone know what all that crap on the runout is?

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Tony, whats a matrix? Is it the number at the end of atlantic on the side? mines a 1, clearly original.

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It’s the number scratched or stamped into the run out groove. The number on the label or cover is the catalogue number.

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BTW who or what is Porky?

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Its George Peckham, the man who cut so many great records. I met him many years back when I was watching him cut a record I played on. He signs the acetate ‘A Porky Prime Cut’ in the run off afterwards when he’s happy with it. The 12” single I used him to cut was amazing, the A side only plays for about 2.5 or 3 minutes and I asked him to cut it as fast and wide as possible, so the track uses the whole side! It sounds really punchy and solid, and I can’t play it on my bloody 33rpm Linn.

Tony.

Fair enough.

I take it that ST-A-712368-A is a bit crap then!

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I take it that ST-A-712368-A is a bit crap then!

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Are we still on Fragile? The number above means nowt to me, the original matrix is 240109//A and the 70s reissue is K50009/? or something like that IIRC. The ones with red/plum labels are the ones that are worth cash, the rest are worth only what they are to the listener!

Tony.

Here is a red/plum label copy...

If it's of any help the last Revolver with the Side 2 Matrix of XEX 606-1 featuring the alternate version of ‘Tomorrow never Knows’ sold for a whopping £350(or thereabouts)on Ebay.
Reason I know is 'cause I watched in astonishment as the price rocketed in the last few minutes as two madmen desperately fought to outbid each other.

I love Ebay at times.

Good Luck.


P

Sorry Tony, I appear to be wasting everyones time, the label I have is green/plum

By red/plum I thought you meant the plum bit was a reddish colour!

doh.

Mind you what does that make this?

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If it's of any help the last Revolver with the Side 2 Matrix of XEX 606-1 featuring the alternate version of ‘Tomorrow never Knows’ sold for a whopping £350(or thereabouts)on Ebay.

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That’s the original pressing that has a slightly different version of Tomorrow never knows – its Record Collector guide price is about £175, i.e. it made twice the RC guide price. The Record Collector guide is a bit screwed at some points IMHO, it dramatically undervalues most Krautrock for instance, though overvalues some other stuff (at least you can’t ever actually get the price). The pressing of Fragile is valued at £20 and Revolver at £60, will be interesting to see what they both make.

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Sorry Tony, I appear to be wasting everyones time, the label I have is green/plum

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That’s Relayer isn’t it? Its not a UK pressing either as far as I’m aware, I don’t recall ever seeing that label design on a Yes album. The 70s UK pressings look similar to my red/white/plum copy but have I think orange/white/green stripes and a slightly different Atlantic logo. IIRC Relayer had a Roger Dean picture label similar to the cover design in the UK. It will say where it was made somewhere.

Tony.

Who is suddenly realising that far too many of his brain cells are occupied with old Yes labels. Why do I know all this crap you may ask - its what you get for working years as a record dealer!

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Not sure if this is right but as far as I know..

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Sure is! Nice item. The best one I have is a mint 1960 mono first US pressing of Free Jazz by Ornette Coleman. Its got the coolest really heavyweight laminated gatefold sleeve ever...



I ain't letting that one go!

Tony.

PS P's post of the Otis Blue album seems to have left the building...

Oh er, whats all that about then? Perhaps he nicked it

Hey

I shot it in macro and it turned out too big for the screen so I got rid of it. I hate scrolling.

I paid £2 for it on Ebay if I remember correctly.

Div that I am.

P

Just looked back over this thread…

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Saucerful - The original UK pressing (both mono and stereo) does have a laminated 'flipback' sleeve, but the easiest way to tell is that the record label (Columbia) is a blue text on black background. Later ones were silver text on black background. Even later ones (I think) have EMI labels.

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Same rules apply to Piper - I’ve been after a decent (yet affordable) mono original for about 25 bloody years now! I have the 1970 silver on black stereo and also the recent mono CD in a card box. The mono mix is definitely better (keyboards higher on Interstellar Overdrive etc), but it’s a bloody CD.

Anyone heard the mono mix of Saucerful? I’m curious as to whether its as different a mix as Piper. Again I have the silver on black stereo Columbia of that. Both Piper and Saucerful were reissued on the budget priced Fame label of EMI in the 80s - neither is worth anything from a collectable POV, better to land a copy of A Nice Pair to get both albums cheap (the fang dentist cover is worth more).

I’ve got the 7” of Arnold Lane and See Emily Play too, but they are pretty stuffed. I also have a really cool silver on black Columbia label copy of the Holland import The Best of Pink Floyd, which is effectively the As and Bs of the first few singles – I saw a worse copy than mine on the wall in MVE Rip Off Collectables Notting Hill for £150 a year or two back! Real shame it hasn’t got Point me at the sky / Careful with that axe on it as that’s was a really good single, I had a decent original copy but sold it years back when I was broke…

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More - Although a certain well known 'comedy' price guide lists the 'couple facing east' as more 'valuable', it is a mid-70's re-issue and nowhere near as rare (and valuable) or desirable as the original 1969 issue - Which has a laminated flipback sleeve with green tinted 'photo to rear.

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I don’t quite understand why they have that copy as the most valuable, but I guess it’s fine by me as it’s the one I have

Tony.

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Originally posted by Tony Lonorgan:

Ebay seems to be very well written from a software point of view – which global sites an item appears on is governed by the areas the seller is prepared to ship to. I’ve just checked ebay.com and my copy is up there. The revolver is a tidy 2nd 1966 pressing (XEX 605-2 matrix), I’m hoping it makes about 60 quid which is its Record Collector guide price. There is actually someone advertising a late 70s pressing as being original (you can tell from the pic – no flip back sleeve!). Funnily enough he ain’t had any bids yet!

Tony.

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What you say is true, and if you say that you'll sell you goods worldwide then everybody can see it but they wont see it by default. That is, unless there's an option I don't know about. I was thinking of the left side of the atlantic tendancy to see the world stopping at New York.

It's been funny to see this thread turn into a matrix debate, almost like being back on phonogram. My copy of Fragile is one of the very last polydor pressings, but it was sold with a Knnnnn catalogue number, it has the booklet.

Goodluck with the beatles sale, I have to confess I don't have one beatles record in my collection, although I thought they were 'fab' at the time. That ornette coleman LP looks great!

Peter

Tony, I know a little shop down south that had a copy of Piper in mono, it was 15 quid so can't commment on the quality.

If it is still there this weekend do you want me to take the risk for you?

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If it is still there this weekend do you want me to take the risk for you?

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My God! If its a real one (Columbia written in blue on a black label with a flipback non-gatefold sleeve) and looks like it would play without ripping the stylus out I'm right up for it!

Cheers,

Tony.