New possibility of a total smoking ban in England

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Ah Fred - the truth is out - pubs are in the domain of the smoker and to hell with all others.

Well yes, pretty much. People who are that worried about their health would be happier down the local gym or whatever, or at home munching on their salad sandwiches.

EW

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Just think how many DBLs you could afford over a lifetime

Hopefully just one pair should do.

Non-smokers constitute the overall majority but a minority in pubs.

The question is how many more people would go in pubs if they became non-smoking. My guess is fewer.

steve,

i've never (other than passively) smoked in my life, but I like going in pubs...

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
The question is how many more people would go in pubs if they became non-smoking. My guess is fewer.

That's not the experience in other countries with similar smoking bans.

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Ah Fred - the truth is out - pubs are in the domain of the smoker and to hell with all others.

Not for long, methinks, and I accept that as fair enough, for we live something fairly closely resembling a democracy (whetherh it is or not I just can't quite work out!)

But dear Nime, actually I would agree that there is criticism to be made of many smokers, drinkers, Royals, and on and on, and we could pick on alsorts of other to single out too. If you read what I wrote at the bottom of page three and the top of four (here) you will see that I personally I amprepared to bend over backwards to avoid annoying non-smokers. But I could get annoyed by someone suggesting that because I had had a smoke in the pub, that I would be more likely than someone who only had a drink to kill people with my vehicle on the way home. What nonesense! For similar reasons, regards respect for others, I never drive home from a pub anyway! I either walk to and from, or go with friends. It must be a good five years since I drove to a pub!

And if the ban occurs in pubs, then I shall have to get supplies of ale into my own home and enjoy even more time here! No skin off my nose in that respect as I find that even in the nicest pubs there is occasionally some embarrasingly drunk and even violent behavior (drink related I guess!), which rather takes the shine of the time anyhow.

Just like the secret drinker I shall be forced underground, which may please some!

I did a rough calculation, and I think (@ the rate of one 25gram pouch per week) that I would have smoke for the next 49 years to cover the DBLs! I have no ambition to live THAT long!

All the best from Fredrik

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Ah Fred - the truth is out - pubs are in the domain of the smoker and to hell with all others.

But I could get annoyed by someone suggesting that because I had had a smoke in the pub, that I would be more likely than someone who only had a drink to kill people with my vehicle on the way home. What nonesense!

Fred you're obviously referring to my comment here. You'll find it's called sarcasm. It was made in response to a much more idiotic (I think serious) comment by somebody else. Frankly I couldn't give a fat rat whether you and the rest of you smoke yourself to death. That's your choice. But you're not going to force it on me and you're not going to force me out of otherwise quite pleasant and sociable public places. All I want is to be able to go about my business without having somebody else's noxious exhalations forced down my throat. That's all. It's not much to ask.

Dear Tom,

I dislike sarcasm, and certainly dislike the type of people who find it amusing, or a useful as a form of communicating ideas! No smiley I am afraid, as I am being totally serious.

Fredrik

Go well in life for all that...

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Tom,

I dislike sarcasm, and certainly dislike the type of people who find it amusing, or a useful as a form of communicating ideas! No smiley I am afraid, as I am being totally serious.

Fredrik

Go well in life for all that...

Get off your self-righteous high horse (a strange place for a smoker to sit) and answer my main point about your right to spew poisonous fumes being an infringement of my much more basic right to breathe relatively clean air.

Dear Tom,

I am not going to! You are being rude in giving me imperitives. I take these off nobody!

When the law changes I shall respect that, but in the meantime, I would expect you to both be aware of what I wrote above, and accepting of the fact that so long as it is fine enough for a landlord to allow for it, I shall smoke in a public house whether you like or not, dear fellow.

As I say, go well in life, but do try to avoid Hereford! Fredrik

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Tom,

I am not going to! You are being rude in giving me imperitives. I take these off nobody!

When the law changes I shall respect that, but in the meantime, I would expect you to both be aware of what I wrote above, and accepting of the fact that so long as it is fine enough for a landlord to allow for it, I shall smoke in a public house whether you like or not, dear fellow.

As I say, go well in life, but do try to avoid Hereford! Fredrik

Rude? Frankly I think blowing carcinogenic fumes over somebody is much ruder!

So you've no argument. There is none. Enjoy it while you can because it ain't going to last much longer.

And be assured I won't have to try very hard to avoid Hereford.

Dear Tom,

I noted your location, and guessed you would not have to put yourself out too much. As regards my having an arguement, I don't claim one. I have a position! I explained it earlier, and you will note that I would hardly enjoy a smoke if it annoyed someone else, so I just wonder whether it is perhaps you rather than me riding a high-horse.

Mind your blood pressure and go well. Fredrik

Goodnight Fredrik. No BP issue here. Just what's right and what's wrong.

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Originally posted by TomK:
Goodnight Fredrik. No BP issue here. Just what's right and what's wrong.

So Tom, once Scotlands total smoking ban is in force do you think we should organize a Naim pub crawl along Linlithgow high street? Might not get all that much further than the Four Mary's though?

You're on Steve. How do we organise it? In the absence of private messages perhaps Adam might be willing to pass email addresses? I know of one very prominent Lithgae citizen who's a Naim customer and it might be nice to get him along.

Perhaps we could do a sponsored bevvy on Naim's behalf. How about it Adam? By "sponsored" I obviously mean "sponsored by Naim". I'll wear a Naim sweater and Naim will provide 10 pints of Director's. Can't say fairer than that.

Oh joy! The sooner the better. Smoking is a filthy addiction - its not a habit - its an addiction - the only joy anyone gets from smoking is the tempory relief from the withdrawal sysptoms. No one should ever have to walk into a public room and be subjected to the foul stench of cigarettes again. An ASBO for everyone caught smoking in public!

Eric,

Are you reformed then? I take it you have no difficulty with a pipe, either. Fredrik

Apologies. This system is not working well at all for me. Fredrik

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Oh joy! The sooner the better. Smoking is a filthy addiction - its not a habit - its an addiction - the only joy anyone gets from smoking is the tempory relief from the withdrawal sysptoms.

Untrue.

I, like a fair number of smokers only light up after a beer or 3. If I'm in the pub I expect to indulge in something that goes nicely with a pint. I have no desire to smoke whatsoever when I've not had a pint or two.

What I'd like to see is a general limitation on places where we are allowed to smoke but it should be an option for any pub to declare themselves as "reserved for smokers but non-smokers are welcome."

This is exactly what happened in France in November 1992.

That is fair and even-handed.

Well, I agree with all of that. Fredrik

The powers that be could even insist that such a place be a private members' club.

Unfortunately the PC health fascist illiberal selfish wankers will not even consider this option.

Live and let li.. [no I say, you do and fuck you!]

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:

If I'm in the pub I expect to indulge in something that goes nicely with a pint.

Like sex?

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
What I'd like to see is a general limitation on places where we are allowed to smoke but it should be an option for any pub to declare themselves as "reserved for smokers but non-smokers are welcome."

The issue is primarily one of employee protection, and that doesn't answer it.

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
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Unfortunately the PC health fascist illiberal selfish wankers will not even consider this option.

You mean those of us who care about the health of workers in a pub as opposed to those of you who don't?

Yeah, evil we are.



Stephen

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Like sex?

Having a ciggy at the same time doesn't cause you to spill your pint.

What if the workers also smoke (as in not passively)?

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
What if the workers also smoke (as in not passively)?

So do you specify smokers only in the job description then?

Do you specify how many fags they smoke a day (i.e. so that the balance of ingestion is more direct than passive)?

What happens if an employee who smokes wants to give up (or are told to do so by their doctor)?

Do you vet candidates to confirm they really are smokers and not just trying to get the job because they need the money?