Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer...

Posted by: seagull on 22 April 2003

I have finally borrowed a Hicap to try with my CD5, not sure what to expect, though people here have said that it is an improvement. With my usual dose of scepticism I took the Hicap home and plugged it in and played some tunes. Being familiar with the sound of my own sistem I bypassed the usual A/B nonsense and just went for it straight away.

Mrs Seagull was sitting in her favourite chair (in the "big headphones" position, not ideal for listening) but the look on her face when she heard the CD5/Hicap combo for the first time was a picture...

"Well?" I said
She smiled that enigmatic smile only a truly beautiful woman can, "Yes there is a difference, it is much better, you can have one dear."
"Really? You're not going to ask why I need a power supply for the CD player?"
"No dear, it does sound better, I said you can have one."
(lifting jaw off floor) "Really?"
"Yes, it does sound better."
"So, I can have one?"
"Yes!"
...
pause
...
"Can I have an extra shelf for my stand as well?"
"Don't push it..."

Just for confirmation, I unplugged the Hicap and played the same song and watched her again, she nodded and said that she much preferred it with the Hicap attached. I asked her to sit where I normally do and listen again, "Do I have to listen to that again? I said you can have one..."

Mrs S had never been interested in the sistem before, I owned much of it before we got together and recent purchases were auditioned alone, she was only involved once the kit was brought home for a demo and the WAF test. She only ever said "If you like it dear, I can't tell the difference." This time she definitely could and said so!

Over the week-end I played only CD's, Mrs S even played some music of her own. Miss S (3 next month) did too, but then she normally does, though she offered no comment about the improvement in sound quality. I didn't even drag out any records to try as a sanity check (vinyl vs bare CD5 vs CD5/Hicap) as I'd originally planned, it wasn't needed.

I've always liked my CD5, it stood up well in a comparison with a CDX, but with a Hicap it is at a different level and would be much closer. The tunes flow, the bass is better defined and more controlled, the treble clearer. Cymbals started going "tttssssss" rather than "ttthththth". Spaces appeared in the music where there was none before, between the instruments and the notes they were playing. Fairly densely recorded material opened up (e.g. OK Computer) and I noticed things in the songs I never knew were there. Even Madge sounded good (on one of Mrs Seagull's compilation CD's.)

Having heard it for myself I can honestly say that the Hicap does make a huge difference to my CD5 and I want one. Mrs S says I can have one too!!!

...
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I'm in love, I'm a believer!
I couldn't leave her if I tried
...
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by David Stewart
Now just imagine the additional improvement to be gained from putting a hi-cap on the pre as well. But can you do that with a 42 Wink - lovely heart-warming story though.

David

"Opinions are like belly-buttons, everybody's got one"
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by Mick P
Seagull

Hicaps have always been one of the most under rated boxes that Naim produce.

I added one to the CD3.5...big improvement. I then added one to the 32.5 pre amp, another big improvement.

Even adding them to a 82 brings about benifits, I really do rate these little black boxes.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by seagull
quote:
Originally posted by David Stewart:
Now just imagine the additional improvement to be gained from putting a hi-cap on the pre as well. But can you do that with a 42 Wink


That's why a 72 and another hicap are on the wish list as well. One step at a time though...

p.s. there's a money spider running up and down my screen at the moment - is this a good sign?
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by Alex S.
Chimp.
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by ejl
I must confess to being disappointed when I added a HiCap to my CD3.5. The improvements were frankly hard for me even to detect. Am I alone in this?

FWIW, I *did* notice a significant improvement when I replaced my old Snaps with a Hicap on my 32.5, so I will certainly grant that a Hicap can improve some things.

Puzzled,
Eric
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by Mick P
Eric

Adding a Hicap will definitly improve the sound.

How old is your kit. If it is over 8 years it will be due for new caps. Therefore if your Hicap or 32.5 is to old, your are only getting a fraction of what they are capable out of them.

I had my 32.5 and Hicap serviced by Naim last year and I could not recognise it as the same kit when it came back.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by David Stewart
quote:
I must confess to being disappointed when I added a HiCap to my CD3.5. The improvements were frankly hard for me even to detect. Am I alone in this?

For me the difference was immediate and obvious - bass control with my CD3.5 was greatly improved and the harshness and graininess disappeared from many CDs where it had previously made them tough going. The top-end became less 'in yer face' but much easier to listen to compared with the bare 3.5
Having made the upgrade I'd not want to go back, it sounds a lot closer to the LP12 now.

David
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by ejl
Hi Mick,

I have two hicaps (I kept the one on the 3.5 for the possible addition of a prefix in the future). Both are old chromies; one was recapped in 2000, the other has never been.

When I added the hi to the 3.5, I tried various combos. Thus: recapped hi on 32.5 + unrecapped hi on 3.5, and conversely. I didn't notice a big improvement in either configuration, which makes me wonder whether I'd notic much difference if the other hi was recapped, but maybe.

Eric
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by Kevin-W
I agree about Hi-Caps. They really are fabulous bits of kit. i couldn't believe the difference it made when I connected my 62 and 160 to it.

I know Naim is particularly "hot" on the subject of separate power supplies, and the difference they can make to amplification and source compenents.

Do any other hi-fi companies adopt a similar posaition?

Kevin
Posted on: 22 April 2003 by Greg Beatty
...is should you sell on the CD5, add the hicap funds, and get a CDX (used) or CDX2 (new)?

- GregB

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Posted on: 22 April 2003 by achandoke
get the cdx2. so amazing.
Posted on: 23 April 2003 by seagull
quote:
Originally posted by Greg Beatty:
...is should you sell on the CD5, add the hicap funds, and get a CDX (used) or CDX2 (new)?



No and no. I've done the CD5 vs CDX comparison, the CDX was better but not by a huge distance. The CD player is my secondary source anyway and the Hicap has raised the performance level to one I am very happy with.

As I said above, I am also hoping to get a 72 and another Hicap (if it can do this for a CD player, I presume it can do the same for a Naim amplifier) which will improve music played by both sources.
Further listening last night (at more sociable levels, Miss S was asleep) merely confirmed things for me.

Unfortunately, this Hicap has to go back at the end of the week Frown but I shall be looking for one once funds are available (hopefully, very soon Smile).
Posted on: 23 April 2003 by Maxi Me
quote:
Do any other hi-fi companies adopt a similar posaition?

Kevin


Yes, the other contender I'm auditioning tomorrow is Cyrus who produce the PSX-R dedicated power supply which can be used to upgrade all their current components.

Seth
Is Naim the only way forward?
Ahh, Ahh! I'm burning!!
Posted on: 23 April 2003 by Lightkeeper
Seagull !

That is fantastic post (wih happy end, isn't it Big Grin).
Glad to hear that your wife to likes Naim.
I have bring so much electronics at home, but when I was bring CD5, she was said "a ha, now that sound ... right, I don't know else, but it just sound right and anything else before was sounded somehow wrong and all the instruments which were played are not yet invented". She was also said that CD5 is the sexiest player. (Soon will be more of the same I hope, CDX2, of course).

I wish that your new hi-cap arrive very soon.

Ozren Smile
Posted on: 23 April 2003 by herm
quote:
Originally posted by Ozren Herold:
She was also said that CD5 is the sexiest player.


C'mon, Ozren. You were getting carried away, weren't you?

Did she actually use the word sexy (in Zagrebian), or are you just doing this to confuse Toyman, expert on the marital - stereo intersection?

Herman
Posted on: 23 April 2003 by Geoff P
quote:
As I said above, I am also hoping to get a 72 and another Hicap (if it can do this for a CD player, I presume it can do the same for a Naim amplifier) which will improve music played by both sources.



You presume right. I added a HiCap to a 112 with excellent results. In fact your description of what the HiCap did to the sound of the CD5 mirrors what it did to the 112.

NOW we come to the "crunch". Do you get 2 X with two HiCap's?
I suspect you don't!!

I think you will find it will be more a decision as to which gives the most
CD5 + HiCap OR 72 + Hicap
Both together WILL be better but by how much you will need to test carefully.

By the way I saved my pennies and got a "bare" CDX2. It is "very very good" so maybe you should consider it if CD becomes more important to you.

regards GEOFFP