No wonder the lefties are distrusted.

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The lefties react in the expected manner by rioting. No wonder no one trusts the sods.

It is a country born from revolution....

Whats the surprise.

My my, at waterloo napoleon did surrender

Mick ,
as they say in France , vous etes un complete twat.

Glenda

Glenda

If you think that complaining about riots after a good democratic election is being a complete twat, then with all due respect you are a complete twat.

It is typical leftie behaviour and the public are showing what they think of them. The major industrial countries are shifting to the right and about time to.

Regards

Mick

Pardon my French, but bollocks.

The French will always be a bunch of lefties as it is the revolutionary way and therefore they use violence in a rational way.

If the French are ever a happy unified nation there revolutionary socialist ideals will have died a death.

Vive La Revolution.

Melnobone

How on earth can rioting be described as using violence in a rational way.

Sarkozy got 53% of the vote, he was democratically elected by the French people.

The left wing are just showing themselves for what they are.

Regards

Mick

If the lefties had won, the righties would have rioted. It's France. That's what they do.

What's more interesting is that they all actually care enough both to vote (86%!!!) and then to protest about the result.

The last riots we had in th UK were about the Poll Tax. What a great idea that was. They had their effect too - Thatcher was ousted and Heseltine (under Major) withdrew the Poll Tax, introducing the Council Tax. Just thought I'd remind you.

Steve

I somewhat doubt it.

The riotors were lefties and low income immigrants.

Sarkozy has made it clear that he intends to force people to work, reduce taxation and government expenditure. In other words, he is promoting the Thatcherite maxim of "if you don't work, you don't eat and then you will die" ethic.

France is a bloody mess and he is much needed.

Regards

Mick

Rupert

The poll tax was fair, it saved me a small fortune.

I may not like the present system but I do not go rioting to change it. It is called civilised behaviour.

Regards

Mick

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If the lefties had won, the righties would have rioted. It's France. That's what they do.

Absolutely.

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How on earth can rioting be described as using violence in a rational way.

Duh?

I think they based a whole country on riots. The storming of the Bastille? Its a country created from insurrection.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
France is a bloody mess and he is much needed.

Except that the transport system works, the roads are properly maintained, people both eat and dress properly, and are generally well-educated, cultured, well-behaved and charming to the British (provided you have the courtesy to try and speak their language, of course).

Melnobone

The French revolution was over two hundred years ago. They got to stop rioting sometime.

Regards

Mick

Rupert

Their economy is stagnant. They have high unemployment. They are over taxed and welfare expenditure is out of control.

If they continue to carry on this way, they will become the poor man of Europe.

The French have just signed a reality cheque.

Regards

Mick

The French system is one I would think would be a bad model for UK, were we ever to cease to be a Monarchy. The very fact of a Political Head of State is s daft one. The US suffers the same problem. The best model for a Presidency is one like the German, the Irish {Eire] arrangements, where the Executive branch of the Governement is drawn from a Parliamant.

Then you can have PR and get a centerist governement elected by a majority of the electorate. By then there is no reason at all for people to feel alienated, and knowing the French mentality to riot about anything from politics to the supply of food, start a riot because the electorate is fundamantally divided from the begining.

53% is a majority, but how many had to change their vote from the original first choice in the First Round Ballot? Not a great system in my view even if it is the result of a set of evolutionary constitutional changes adopted over time in post Revolutionary France. But if the French like it it remains their own business.

All I say is the Republicans in the UK would do well to study the French/US and German/Irish systems before lumbering us with a President Blair, or even Thatcher if it came to that. At least these two had the moderating force of a Parliament to contend with!

ATB from Fredrik

Listen....they're French, they do what the French do. They do what they think is for the best. They always have done, and their heroic and pioneering history is a testimony to that.
As for "lefties" being distrusted...I didn't know they were. I guess Jeffrey Archer and Jonathan Aitken are fine pillars of society.

Some French history is heroic, but not all. Just like any other country in that respect, I would think!

But it is quite definately the business of the French and no one else to order their politics, as I said before.

ATB from Fredrik

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They got to stop rioting sometime.

LOL

They will never stop rioting, blockading ports or firebombing MacDonalds.

They are French.

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He secured of 53% of the vote on a 86% turnout. That is democracy in action.

I care little for politics but if my maths is correct he doesn't represent the majority of the people, only the majority who voted.

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I care little for politics but if my maths is correct he doesn't represent the majority of the people, only the majority who voted.

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Except that the transport system works, the roads are properly maintained, people both eat and dress properly, and are generally well-educated, cultured, well-behaved and charming to the British

Ho Ho Ho........really?

The people who (chose not to)vote by default made the decision that any (either)outcome would be acceptable to them and therefore cannot be discounted

laurie

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Originally posted by Laurie Saunders:

The people who (chose not to)vote by default made the decision that any (either)outcome would be acceptable to them and therefore cannot be discounted

That is one possible interpretation of their non-vote, I suppose.

Maybe they wanted someone they could not vote for?

Excellent turn out though.

Maybe they shouldn't vote for someone they don't want not to win. Twice. Every few years for two different jobs which seem to be the same job to the rest of Europe.

Oh hang on, that's the French voting system already.

[gives French shrug of shoulders]

pffffff.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:


The riotors were lefties and low income immigrants.

Regards

What is your point here? Is there a right wing racist elitist sub-text? Do low income immigrants have less rights in your view? Are they a sort of scummy untermensch?

Voltaire said that the 'only thing history teaches us is that history teaches us nothing' if France thinks it can be saved by adopting Thatcherite policies it is clearly doomed. The UK may have the world's 4th largest economy but it has the worst social problems in the whole of Europe (with the possible exception of Romania and Russia). This is another legacy of The Hag-Bitch from Hell. One really can't judge a whole country by its economy. Children in the Philippines do not commit suicide, they are not in therapy and they are not on anti-depressants.

acad

You said it yourself ... The Uk has the worlds fourth largest economy and Mrs Thatcher put us there. Sarkozy will try to do the same for France.

I for one admire him and so it seems do 53% of the French electorate who actually got off their asses and voted. There will always be casualties during radical reform, you just got to make sure it isn't you. The yobs who rioted obviously feel they are in the firing line but tough, they get what they deserve.