A night with the Obelisks in TW

Posted by: David Hobbs-Mallyon on 12 July 2002

After much anticipation Tom Alves, Dave J and myself, piled round to the Lees residence for a listen to the Shahinian Obelisks last night. As some of you may have read, Mr Lees has been waxing lyrical about his latest acquisition, so we were all keen to hear what all the fuss was about.

Nick’s system consists of CDSII/LP12 vinyl thingy (details Nick?)/52/135s all sitting on some rather fetching double width black Hutter. Prior to listening to any music, we all scrupulously checked system set-up. Needless to say, attention to detail was awesome:

Electrics – Nick provided written proof that he has a quote for installation of a separate spur, and promised that he really really would get it done at some stage in the near future….

Fuses – pristine in the packet and waiting to be implemented at any moment now….

Rack set-up – 135s were optimised for maximum inconvenience in speaker cable attachment.

Speaker placement – optimised for ‘stadium sound’ each side of the very substantial TV

Cable dressing – is for girls.

Warm-up - consisted of a couple of bottles of wine before the drinking started.

We then spent the next 5 hours throwing a very broad range of music at the Obelisks. My contribution was the following:

Charles Mingus – Ah Um - Better git it in your soul
Antonio Joseph Bazzini – La Ronde des Lutins – played by Maxim Vengerov
Gyorgy Ligeti – Atmospheres – Berlin Philharmonic/Nott
Zakir Hussain – Making Music – Water Girl
Throwing Muses – The Real Ramona – Honeychain
John Coltrane – My Favourite Things

The rest ranged from Blues, Rennaissance, 60s psychedelia, Krautthrash (if such a genre exists) – all good stuff. Guys please provide details of what was played.

For those that don’t know the Shahinian Obelisks are an omnidirectional design, with something like 4 tweeters, 2 midrange, and a couple of bass drivers, seemingly placed as asymmetrically as possible. They are quite a compact speaker - placement seems reasonably forgiving. Nicks were placed about 2 ft from the rear and a 1ft from either side. The sound that comes out is very different and a bit difficult to describe. Almost like the whole sound envelope is projected in front of you, which gives that ‘in the room’ effect, rather than the imaging from traditional speakers. Shahinians have a reputation of being difficult to drive, but 135s sounded well up to the job.

The tone is lighter than my Wilson Benesch, but the amount of bass that these speakers produce is surprising for the size, double basses in the jazz pieces above had a really natural sound and presence. However where they really excel is in the way they highlight the rhythm of a piece which made listening to these a joy – difficult to describe, but after each track you just wanted to put the next piece of music on. The top-end was never harsh and the timing was pretty close to SBL standard. Downside? – well possibly sometimes they didn’t sound as intimate as I would have liked, but this was pretty minor. I could definitely live with this speaker, and not many fit in that category for me.

Anyway, many thanks for the demo Nick. I’ll write some more when you guys put on your track listings.

Also a special thanks to Mr Alves for bringing the Naim mugs.

David

[This message was edited by David Hobbs-Mallyon on FRIDAY 12 July 2002 at 13:37.]

[This message was edited by David Hobbs-Mallyon on FRIDAY 12 July 2002 at 16:07.]
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Re: Jazz - I give up with you.

Whether the SL2s would have come across as bass light in your room is difficult to judge. The room for the Naim demo was pretty large and very bright.

All of Dave J's stuff was not exactly my usual listening, but very enjoyable all the same. Both the Jerry Douglas and Rammstein were excellent. Not sure I would want to listen to a whole album of the Rammstein though.

Any sign of that Tallis disc? It was missing from my CDs this morning (I think).

David
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by Dev B
Nice write up Dave - I hope Nick has anotehr session soon as I'd like to raid his record collection.

regards

Dev
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
...all part of my ploy to come back for a sober listen.
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by Mike Hanson
I'm getting very curious as to the sound of the Obelisks. No one's got them around here, and he doesn't have dealers in North America. I'm almost ready to hop on a plane to New York, for a visit with Dick Shahinian.

We're about to get a dog (a smooth collie), and kids are probably on the way in a year or two. Therefore, the precarious nature of stand-mounted speakers may become an issue. Since it took me six months to choose my beloved Albions, I had better start shopping for speakers now (just in case). Then again, I could always attempt to train the dog and kids to STAY AWAY from the speakers. (Fat chance! razz)

-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by Dave J
After a 'sparrow's crack' start and a couple of laps of the M25 (don't ask), I've just got back to the office and wanted to thank Mr Lees, not forgetting the very hospitable and tolerant Mrs Lees, for a splendid evening's listening (and Tom for the Naim mug). I'm just sorry I had to depart at 11.30, Tom seemed to be getting into his "third-bottle-got-any-more-red" stride and the speakers were really sounding on form at that time.

So what were the speakers like? Well, David should take up writing for the hi-fi press as his views sum the Obelisks up pretty well spot-on. They really are a very odd looking pair of, deliberately mismatched, speakers but, after a decent warm-up, I can certainly understand their sonic appeal.

Because they are so different in terms of their presentation, it is difficult to compare them to more conventional fodder. They don't look like they should, but they do 'boogie', they have a surprising amount of extremely well-defined bass (despite sitting on a set of casters, for heaven's sake!), they time well and they are capable of revealing an enormous amount of ambient information that I never knew was there. But, for me, their biggest strength is their ability to 'do drums'. Snare was spot on, cymbals were distinct metallic objects of different weights and sizes - hell you could just about tell Paistes from Zildjians - and the tabla on the Zakir Hussain track was just fabulous. Indeed, they portray metallic objects extremely well as the sound of the slide against string on the Ben Andrews and Jerry Douglas tracks ably demonstrated.

With the wick turned right up there was just a little shout but I suspect this was because they are not yet fully run-in and there was possibly some interaction with the room and its contents. Once the mains is sorted (you've got to go multi-spur, Nick) and the speakers have had another month or two's abuse, the system will be tremendous.

The Rammstein track was 'Heirate Mich' from Herzeleid (it's just a little more gutteral than Mutter, I think). The others were:

'Later with Lakatos' - Roby Lakatos and his ensemble (featuring the very excellently named Ernest Bango on cimbalom)

'What is hip?' off 'Live and in Living Colour' by Tower of Power

'Travelling Riverside Blues' (the old Robert Johnson song) on the CD, 'Journey', by Ben Andrews (wasn't that gooooood)

Plus a storming version of 'Hey Joe' and 'A New Day Medley' by Jerry Douglas from the album 'Slide Rules'.

There was also lots of other really good stuff but that'll have to wait until next time.

Thanks guys, enjoyed it.

Dave
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by count.d
You're spot-on with the description of Obelisks being brilliant at presenting the drums.

I would sum up the Obelisks by saying, everything they do, they do effortlessly.
Posted on: 12 July 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Dave,

I ordered the Ben Andrews from Amazon - that was amazing -certainly what you were saying about ambient information really came across on the Obelisks on this track. Is the rest of the album as good?

David
Posted on: 13 July 2002 by Dave J
Hi David,

Yes, the rest of the Ben Andrews Andrews album is excellent. He's got a couple of other albums which are also very good: "Gallows Pole" & "Stones in my Passway".

I shall likewise be making a few purchases - Maxim Vengerov, Zakir Hussain, the remastered "Waiting for Columbus", "Return Of The Dread", Capercaille (sp?). Might even go for the Transglobal Underground album despite the dodgy recording quality.

I'm over in New York next month so perhaps I'll try to save a few bob and get them there.

Cheers

Dave
Posted on: 13 July 2002 by count.d
Davej,

quote:
With the wick turned right up there was just a little shout

The "problem", if you can call it a problem, with the Obelisks is that they do everything so well that your ears easily pick out any minor flaws. I have found that if an lp shouts or seems a little harsh, it's usualy the pressing/mastering at fault. I have bought duplicate copies of lp's with better mastering or first pressings and the transformation is incredible to say the least. It all points to getting the source to the best possible.

A seperate spur and Fraim will help clear the signal. I believe a harsh or shouting part of a track is a distorted signal that your ears don't like.

The Obelisks play everthing so open with plenty of well defined bass. When the signal is flawed, it comes across to your brain as harsh or "shouting".
Posted on: 13 July 2002 by Mike Hanson
quote:
Just pop round and we'll have an XTC fest!


Sounds great! The next time I'm across the pond, I'll give you a buzz. smile

-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 15 July 2002 by Goose
Shouting at louder volumes sir?? So you do really need a HX1.2 :-) :-)


Got that landberk CD yet??

cheers
Goose