Credo vs IBL

Posted by: jpk73 on 01 June 2001

Hi!

My naim: CD3.5 with FlatCap, NAC92 with FlatCap, IXO, two NAP90, Credo, and LINN Axis/Akito/K9

A Friend offers IBL - what do you think? Are my two NAP90 enough for IBL? Is the IXO-crossover OK for the IBL?

Are IBL "better" than Credo? Or should I try to get SBL? What about the new "allae"?

Thank you for any hint!
Jun

[This message was edited by Jun Keller on SATURDAY 02 June 2001 at 00:33.]

Posted on: 01 June 2001 by mr saucisson
not sure! I have never heard IBLs active, although they are by all accounts something pretty special. ONe 90 would certainly not be enough, but I have no idea if two would be able to do the business. I suspect that it would also come down to a question of how large the listening room was and how loud you like to listen. As they belong to a friend, is there any way you can try before you buy?

Overall, though, yes IBLs are better speakers than Credos, I do not think many would disagree with that. However, they are different, with much less, although much better quality bass. They will not go as loud either, and are not at their best at high volumes - so that may again be a factor.

Ben

Posted on: 02 June 2001 by bob atherton
Hi Jun,

Welcome to the forum. I use active IBL's with 2 x 250 & in my room think would be impossible to beat no matter how much money I spent. My room is 4m x 4m x 3.25m & is made of concrete including floor & ceiling.

I think the IBL is a much better speaker than the Credo, but that is just my opinion. You should try & borrow your friend's pair & make up your own mind. If they are the latest spec IBL's I will be surprised if you are not seduced by their musicality. Let us know what happens.

Bob.

Posted on: 02 June 2001 by jpk73
OK, I hope I can get the IBLs to try them in my room (5.80 x 4.0 meters, 3.20 high). I will tell you the results! - Or should I wait and try to get used SBLs? Who knows the new naim-speakers called "allae"?

Does the IXO-Crossover fit for IBL and SBL? And how can I find out if the IBLs are the latest version?

My upgrade-plans: soon I want to change my Linn Axis/Akito/K9 to a LP12/Akito, but what system should I try?

And (much) later I wish to have NBL and sixpack of 135s (maybe old style and/or second hand) if I have enough money...

Sorry, so much questions... Thank you in advance for any answers!

Best wishes from Jun

[This message was edited by Jun Keller on SATURDAY 02 June 2001 at 13:44.]

Posted on: 02 June 2001 by Dev B
Hello Jun

You have an excellent system.

In your system the Credo will be better match than the IBL. The Credo is easy to drive so you will get a well balanced sound. The IBL works well with more powerful power amps.

I would possibly get a better source (CDX) instead of speakers.

regards

Dev

Posted on: 02 June 2001 by mr saucisson
Hi Jun,

In order...

SBLs are good. If I had a larger room myself, I would use them. The tonal balance is very similar to IBLs, but they are a little easier to drive. SBLs second hand would probably involve additional cost. Better spend this on source I suggest. No idea about allaes, sorry.

IXO works fine on IBLs apparently. Check them to see if they have a doped ring about 1/2" wide around the edge of the mid bass driver cone and use NACA5 on the crossovers. These will be MkIIs. Make sure the foam grills are in good condition BTW, there are no more in existence, and they are vital to the proper working of IBLs.

Not sure what you mean about the TT, but I would suggest you hear the Rega P9 and Xerxes X before you commit to LP12 upgrades. Very different, but if you prefer IBLs, it may be that one of the former would suit better.

Ben

Posted on: 03 June 2001 by Arye_Gur
I heard many demos with Nait2 driving IBLs and the sound was always great.
Why do people think the 90 can't drive them ?

Arye

Posted on: 03 June 2001 by jpk73
Hakan!

Do you drive your IBLs active with 2 NAP90s?

Jun

Posted on: 03 June 2001 by Sproggle
Once you've got your IBLs [or decided to keep your Credos], I think it would be well worth upgrading your pre-amp.

My own upgrade from 32.5 to 102 showed me that failings I had attributed to my NAP 90 were primarily due to my 32.5. I expect your active system would benefit even more from such an upgrade.

--Jeremy

Posted on: 03 June 2001 by jpk73
Sproggle!

...Until now I liked my Credos very much, they just sound a little bit too relaxed... I will see, what the IBLs sound like and let you know!

I wanted to upgrade my turntable first, because I mostly listen to vinyl: somebody offers a LP12 to me, I could use my Akito and K9 with that - good idea?

Or should I first update the pre-amp?

Jun

Posted on: 03 June 2001 by Sproggle
quote:
I wanted to upgrade my turntable first, because I mostly listen to vinyl: somebody offers a LP12 to me, I could use my Akito and K9 with that - good idea?

Or should I first update the pre-amp?


I don't know - sorry.

A pre-amp upgrade will let you hear more of what both your sources are doing. In my case, upgrading from 32.5 to 102 improved the sound of all my sources, with no disadvatage. It made a a huge difference to the performance of my bottom of the range Denon cassette deck!

Upgrading to an LP12/Akito/K9 will certainly be a good move - especially if the LP12 comes with a Cirkus, since the Akito responds particularly well to the Cirkus. However, I think the LP12 is more sensitive to the quality of its support table than the Axis.

Some good general principles in upgrading are:

1) Choose the upgrade you can listen to first if the alternative is one you cannot listen to.

2) If it's difficult to choose between two upgrades then choose the source or the one nearest the source.

--Jeremy