Making the great greater than they are?

Posted by: Tam on 24 February 2007

In the wake of Hattogate (personally, I didn't see the need to append the suffix, as I would personally reserve it for political scandals, but there we go, anyway, I digress), I have been wondering about something that has been bothering me for a couple of weeks. Ever since I bought Leon Fleisher's recital disc 'Two Hands'.

Fleisher is a pianist I have admired for some time, ever since I bought he discs of the Brahms piano concertos (actually originally bought more out of admiration for his partners - Szell and the Clevelanders) which are firm favourites and which I much prefer to Gilels/Jochum, but that's another thread. However, he has a relatively modest discography when compared to some distinct lack of recordings over the last 30 or so years. In fact, I think I had assumed that he was either retired or dead. Until, a couple of years ago, I read the gramophone review of 'Two Hands'. Fleisher it seems had developed a rare condition called Dystonia which caused the involuntary clenching of the fingers in one of his hands, meaning he could only play the piano with one hand (though according to an interview I read online somewhere, this hasn't stopped him, apparently there are one or two works for left hand, including a concerto, and another which he has commissioned, indeed, in the article he said if he could go back and not suffer from it he might not choose to as he's been able to add to the repertoire in a way he wouldn't otherwise have done - which I think is a pretty remarkable thing to say). Anyway, a couple of years ago he received injections of Botox into his wrist which caused the muscles to relax and enabled him to play with both hands again.

Despite wanting the disc I have somehow managed to hold off ever since as, for one, I'm not a huge fan of recital discs of this sort. And, two, whenever I chanced across it, it was at nothing less than full price. However, it was in a sale last month and that was that. The disc opens with two of the most beautiful pieces of music I know: Bach's Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring and Sheep May Safely Graze. (These are followed by a Scarlatti sonata, a Chopin mazurka and nocturne, Debussy's Clair de lune and finally a rather interesting reading of Schubert's D960, another favourite.)

But as I was sitting listening (and the many times I have listened since) to the Bach, while I read the liner note about the charity 'Musicians with Dystonia', I wondered how much of the emotion was down to the story behind the disc and how much down to Fleisher's playing. (Similar questions are now being asked of Hatto, though even with the story, none of the discs I heard ever did terribly much for me.) Similarly, when I heard Barenboim and his West-Eastern Divan Orchestra. Then again, both on CD and in the concert hall, I think it one of the most electrifying readings of Beethoven's 5th I've ever heard. Not technically, maybe, but there is an enthusiasm and passion to the players that few ensembles match. I've read reviews along the lines that if it weren't for who or what the orchestra is, they'd get shorter shrift, which I don't think is entirely fair. But then how can I say, my judgement may well be coloured.

And, even if it is having an effect does it matter? Short of blind listening, any disc or concert we hear is going to be coloured by our personal tastes. When, for example, listen to Mackerras, I am probably not nearly as objective as I ought to be, because he has done such wonderful things at the many concerts of his I have attended, I am doubtless more forgiving of any shortcomings than I might otherwise be (not, I think that there ever are many).


What do other think?


regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 February 2007 by Tam
Quite right, so he did (must have passed me by):

http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3801938...2983607?r=7802983607


regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 February 2007 by Haim Ronen
Dear Tam,

In most cases, with time, I find the music to be much stronger than any facts or story surrounding it. If the music is not 'right' for me, all the mitigating circumstances or special conditions do not mean much.

I own Fleisher's 'Two Hands' over a year but I do not listen to it very often for the same reason that I do not like those recital forms and I do not find Bach, Chopin @ Debussy working so well together. I am also aware that Fleisher is probably limited to what he can play in his condition.

I think I mentioned that before: when I listen to a new piece of music for the first time, I do not read the liners. I rather get the story only after my first impression.

Munch,

Thanks for remembering my post.

Regards,

Haim
Posted on: 25 February 2007 by Tam
Dear Haim,

I too am fairly sure that mitigating circumstances could not make an awful recording good, or indeed a mediocre one great. I didn't get on all that well with any of the 'Hatto'
piece I heard which all struck me as rather unremarkable (it seems they had gone out of their way to choose that sort of interpretation). However, Fleisher is a great pianist (or certainly was) and I wonder whether I find the disc that bit more moving as a result (though I'm sure most of the appreciation is down to excellent musicianship) - put it another way, I would love to have heard it first in some sort of blind listening (of course, in this case it wouldn't really have mattered much if I had listened without reading the booklet since I pretty well knew the story already). I agree though that it is best for assessing the music if one can do so without the story.

Fleisher certainly is limited in what can play (and said as much in the interview I mentioned, I will try to dig it up when I have a moment). However, I did read a piece in the Economist a while back about the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra which said he'd recently done the Emperor with them (but it doesn't seem this has been recorded).

Actually, I have only listened to the disc right through about twice, the other times it has been a case of picking particular highlights (normally either the Bach or the Schubert). I know he's done another such disc, but surely he must be able to put together a disc that's not a recital programme in the same way.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 February 2007 by fred simon


Like Duke Ellington said, "If it sounds good, it is good."

I really believe that to be true. Regarding the separate issue of the effect of a back story, I think it depends on the artist and it depends on the story. Certainly, no story will make bad music sound good. But when the story is inextricably wedded to the music I do hear and feel the extra resonance, impossible not to. Fleisher's Two Hands is one example, and another is Keith Jarrett's The Melody At Night, With You, his first post-CFS release, which was not originally intended for release but as a gift for his wife, who urged him to release it. It's utterly singular in his catalogue, for reasons both musical and not.

All best,
Fred


Posted on: 26 February 2007 by ryan_d
Sorry for the coming aside guys, as i have no knowledge of the person or music you are talking about, but when i read this my professional curiosity was pricked.

Dystonia is a common side effect of old anti-psychotic medication and can be treated with another medication. This may explain why he 'disappeared for a while and then re-appeared. Usually, if the damage is done over a long period of time, recovery is not 100% which again may explain things a little.

I suppose what i am leading onto is, does anyone know if this guy had a form of mental illness?.....it wouldn't surprise me as many brilliant people (especailly musicians) do seem to suffer with some forms of it.

Regards

Ryan