World Cup and Sven thoughts
Posted by: Shayman on 06 April 2006
In my opinion Sven has been a pretty good England manager over the years and has certainly done better than most of those touted for the job over the years could have done.
As I see it he was basically hounded out of his job for very little reason by the press, and News of the World in particular.
Now say we do really well at this year's World Cup (I hesitate to use the W-word). What does anyone think the press's response will be. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the NotW joined in some sort of campaign to keep him as manager.
What does anyone else reckon?
Jonathan
Posted on: 06 April 2006 by Chillkram
I happen not to be in the jingoistic " the next manager must be english" camp and am not convinced about any of the english candidates currently touted for the job. I would like to see the best man available appointed. For me that would be Guus Hiddink. I like the dutch brand of football and there seems to be a tactical awareness that other (english) candidates are perhaps lacking.
He has also done well with both national and club sides at a high level.
I agree with you about Sven. He has been a better manager than the press give him credit for, although, when the crunch comes, I believe he is tactically one dimensional (apart from bringing on Peter Crouch 20 mins from the end to get the nod ons). And in the crucial games against Brazil and Portugal we had no answers.
Under Sven England have been more defensively astute. Certainly more so than under Keegan!
But they have always been at their best when playing attacking football (IMHO). What we need is someone who can combine the defensive qualities of Sven with more variation in our attacking play. For me that isn't McClaren, Allardyce or Curbishley.
Now Wenger!.....But then he's not available.
Posted on: 06 April 2006 by long-time-dead
Surely you'll end up with St. Martin O'Neill.
After all, the second most famous Manager of Celtic (Big Jock the Gnu being top of the heap) must be in contention.
Just compare his stats with my team's departing manager - Alex McLeish. Eck has been judged a failure by some...............
St. Martin - you know it makes sense........
Posted on: 06 April 2006 by Chillkram
Actually scrub all those comments above.
Just watched Middlesborough.
McClaren's definitely the man!
Posted on: 06 April 2006 by Chillkram
.......or Curbishley!
Posted on: 06 April 2006 by Chris Dolan
Clearly it's a job for Clive Woodward.
He can keep Steve McClaren as his assistant and bring in Big Sam to slag off the refs.
I'm not convinced that club managerial experience is actually necessary to coach an international team as the concept and expectations are entirely different. That's not to say that you just go for an ex-international player!
When Gordon Strachan took the Celtic job he said in a interview - probably tongue in cheek -that he would need to re-think his strategy and tactics as he was now managing a team that was expected to win and he had not been in that position before.
The start to Celtic's season was crap - but they turned it around. England won't have much time after the World Cup before the European qualifiers start. Continuity is important and Steve McClaren would provide that.
Sven has been hard done by (childish sort of pun intended). Arguably he is still the best man for the job but the time has come for a change.
I really don't want Martin O'Neill to get the job, as I would would much prefer him to take over from Sir Alex.
There isn't an Englishman that ticks all the boxes - the closest is Steve McClaren though.
So on balance if the FA can't get Arsene Wenger it should be Martin O'Neill, but for United's sake let's hope he turns it down.
Chris
PS Didn't Middlesbrough do amazingly well - if only Juve could have performed as well....
Posted on: 07 April 2006 by Musk
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Originally posted by Shayman:
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In my opinion Sven has been a pretty good England manager over the years and has certainly done better than most of those touted for the job over the years could have done
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Are you taking the piss ? Sven is a mercenary who has no loyality to England and sells himself to the highest bidder. He has not done well with the best tallent since 1964 , and proved himself to be tactically inept i.e. his tatical cock ups in the Euro's against Portugal and his 8 player subsitutions in the friendlies which made FIFA change the rules.
I'm not a great fan of NOTW but at least they exposed Sven for what he is........nothing they have printed has been untrue...England will do well in the this summer due to our tallent and despite Sven.
MUSK
"England till I die"
Posted on: 07 April 2006 by Guido Fawkes
I'd like to see John Beck brought back as England Manager - the man who nearly took Cambridge United to the Premier League - they missed out in the play-off, he was sacked and where are Cambridge now - well they are in a Premier League, of sorts.
John Beck used to quote voltaire to his players at half time and then make them take a cold shower - bet Sven doesn't do that.
Posted on: 08 April 2006 by rackkit
quote:
Originally posted by Shayman:
In my opinion Sven has been a pretty good England manager over the years and has certainly done better than most of those touted for the job over the years could have done.
As I see it he was basically hounded out of his job for very little reason by the press, and News of the World in particular.
Now say we do really well at this year's World Cup (I hesitate to use the W-word). What does anyone think the press's response will be. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the NotW joined in some sort of campaign to keep him as manager.
What does anyone else reckon?
Jonathan
Sven? He's a myth. A well paid myth.
Posted on: 10 April 2006 by erik scothron
A national football team (if there has to be such nonesense) should no more have a foreign manager than a foreign goal keeper. This is not jingoism just common sense. A manager is part of the team and therefore should be the same nationality as the team he/she is managing.
Posted on: 10 April 2006 by graham55
Eriksson is a third rate (at best) coach, elevated to a status that must surprise even him. So how does he repay the trust imposed in him?
By seeking a higher wage, first of all from Man U or Chelsea (but rumbled on both occasions), next - amazingly and successfully - from the English FA that employs him in the first pace, and then - laughably - from the fake sheikh. He'd have happily submitted to taking it up the *rse from the fake sheikh's camel if he had thought that it would satisfy his cupidity.
And this is all before we even begin to consider his platform shoes, the women he shags, or (worst of all) his inability to sway matches that are going against his ragbag collection of pampered multimillionaire chavs.
If England were to dispose of him, and Kevin Beckham, before the World Cup Finals, they might have a chance........
Graham
Posted on: 10 April 2006 by thejejk
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Originally posted by graham55:
Eriksson is a third rate (at best) coach, elevated to a status that must surprise even him.
Agreed.
quote:
Originally posted by erik scothron:
A manager is part of the team and therefore should be the same nationality as the team he/she is managing.
Agreed.
So why don't "you" sack him instead of going on into oblivion with all this whining? I find it amazing the amount of energy English people put into complaining about Sven. It's even more amazing in the light of how he was raised to the skies a couple of years ago, probably by the same people and the same magazines...
Regards,
Jacob
(yep - a swede, who's not even into football.... so why do I care?)
Posted on: 10 April 2006 by graham55
I'm Scottish, so my views don't count!
G
Posted on: 10 April 2006 by nicnaim
quote:
Originally posted by erik scothron:
A national football team (if there has to be such nonesense) should no more have a foreign manager than a foreign goal keeper. This is not jingoism just common sense. A manager is part of the team and therefore should be the same nationality as the team he/she is managing.
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Posted Mon 10 April 2006 12:44
I think football is a rediculous game, played by morons and watched by fools (the fans I mean not the casual viewer). The last match I watched was Brighton v Man U in the FA cup final and when was that? The only reason I watched that was because I was stuck in someone elses house and watched it to be polite. I would rather watch paint dry. I'm not against sport, far from it, its just that I think football is so massivley overestimated. The beautiful game is one big bore.
Any person can watch grandstand or match of the day for 2 consecutive weeks and even if previously knowing nothing about the game can then walk into any pub in the land and have an informed conversation about football. This is how the lowest common denominator bonds with his fellow man. Big deal says I and how bloody sad that for some it is all they can talk about.
I find it totally laughable that some of the morons who are ex-players are dressed up in suits and sat in a tv studio to have discussions about the rediculous game at half time or at the end of the game during which they compete to say the bleedn' obvious. Their views are no more informed than any man in your local pub. It's all a bunch of bollocks IMO and our media is full of it. Big deal says I. They actually discuss the game as if it were truly important.
I particularly like it when when some moron asks me 'ow did the match go mate' while I am minding my own business walking down a street. what match? or 'Ow did england do tonight mate' - England?
England never won the world cup. 11 men won the world cup. I am not a better person for this win neither am I a worse person if another 11 players lose it next time round. I simply could not care less. It's all part of the us and them mentality. Are we a better nation because someone kicked a ball into a goal? It is truly Pathetic. The reason why the english team will not win the world cup or go further than the quarter finals is you have to be really hungry to win it and our players are just too spoilt. Certainly they are over paid. How many nurses could we pay out of Roonies earnings?
As for the histrionics after a player scores a goal, the taking off of shirts, sliding along the floor, hugging and kissing, gymnastics and so forth whatever happened to a clap on the back or a handshake?
I gave up on football the day Bobby Charlton retired.
If you ever see me posting on a football thread again you have my permission to shoot me.
Yours in troll mode,
Erik
Erik,
Pistol or shotgun?
Nic
Posted on: 10 April 2006 by erik scothron
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Erik,
Pistol or shotgun?
Nic
Nic,
I'm insured up to the eyeballs and I have a deathwish so bring it on. I'm leaving everything I have to Kylie Minogue.
Regards,
Erik
Posted on: 11 April 2006 by nicnaim
Erik,
Having seen some pictures of her rear end in another thread, I think I know why!
Nic
Posted on: 11 April 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by nicnaim:
Erik,
Having seen some pictures of her rear end in another thread, I think I know why!
Nic
Nic,
Great art should be supported.
Regards,
Erik - Patron of the Arts
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by Shayman
I stand by my initial comments RE:Sven. What has he done that was so bad? If you think he has been so terrible who whould have done better do you think with our available player over the last few years and what would that persons achievements have been over what Sven has achieved?
I think he's been far from the villain some of you make out.
Jonathan
PS Erik. The only thing I see that is redicuolous (sic) is your bizarre shortsightedness. Just because you don't like football doesn't mean those of us who do are in some way inferior. It is a multifaceted social phenomenon. "Lowest common denominator"? You smug twat.
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by rackkit
It's not what he's done that's so bad, it's what he hasn't done when things aren't going our way. He doesn't seem to have the ability to change team formations during a game, preferring to stick to whatever formation/players he starts the games with.
He's turned us into a cautious team who go a goal up and then retreat back to our own goal line. It's not in our nature to do that and we always look better playing our own pressure game in the other teams half.
He's been blessed with some of the best players we've had for quite a while and he's failed to get the best out of them. I'm not saying that we're anywhere near the best team in the World but with decent organisation, we should be challenging for final places in European Championships and semis in World Cups.
He/the FA, are determined to stick with Beckham no matter what his form is like (I still can't get that image of him jumping out of the tackle against Brazil in the last World Cup, to protect his foot which he later admitted hadn't healed properly - cheers for that mate, they only went and scored straight after that)
If England do well in this World Cup, it'll more than likely come down to the exploits of one player most folk rip to shreks (sorry) and the same player who's keeping Manchester United where they are in the Premier League table.
It'll have nothing to do with Sven.
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Shayman:
PS Erik. The only thing I see that is redicuolous (sic) is your bizarre shortsightedness. Just because you don't like football doesn't mean those of us who do are in some way inferior. It is a multifaceted social phenomenon. "Lowest common denominator"? You smug twat.
Did I say all football supporters were the lowest commom demominator? Did I write 'redicuolous'. Read what I wrote not what you think I wrote. If you like watching a bunch of big girl's blouses
in shorts running around after a ball you are welcome to it. I'd rather have a life. Some of us have grown out of petty tribal associations and futile meaningless rivalries.
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by Phil Cork
quote:
Originally posted by Happy Chick:
I know this not related... but
I just bought a nail printing machine for a new shop. It will print country flags, photos etc on nail extensions and natural nails.
It will ink jet things like the England flag, photos of Beckham etc on the nails.
Veronika
Hi Veronika,
I was wondering what had happened to you! I guess you've been busy buying nail printing machines
How's the music?
phil
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by Shayman
Sorry Erik
I read that in a post with your name at the end and assumed it was you who wrote it. Who did then?
Jonathan
PS Looking forward to Wimbledon? now there's a wholly more holy sport.
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by thejejk
That was Erik's post all right. But he didn't say ALL football supporters were the lowest common denominator, sorry "commom demominator". And he didn't write "redicuolous", he wrote "rediculous".... ahemm....
Regards,
Jacob,
still don't care about football so why am I still here?
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by 7V
Some of us find many professional football matches to be incredibly exciting and punctuated by moments of absolute magic and sheer, breathtaking beauty.
As for Sven, I for one would be happy to elevate him to Sainthood or beyond in the event that our own bunch of big girl's blouses
in shorts emerge triumphant from the forthcoming exhibition of petty tribal associations and futile meaningless rivalries.
Bring it on!
Steve
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Yes and some of us watch the Tractor Boys and wonder where the good times have gone ...
Posted on: 20 April 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
Some of us find many professional football matches to be incredibly exciting and punctuated by moments of absolute magic and sheer, breathtaking beauty.
As for Sven, I for one would be happy to elevate him to Sainthood or beyond in the event that our own bunch of big girl's blouses
in shorts emerge triumphant from the forthcoming exhibition of petty tribal associations and futile meaningless rivalries.
Bring it on!
Steve
Hehe, I bet they don't get past the second round
