First Symphonies

Posted by: Tam on 01 September 2005

Following on from Fredrik's example, let's have some suggestions for what I, at least, consider the cornerstone of classical music: the symphony.

An excellent place to start is Beethoven. These days there are an awful lot of good, and fairly cheap sets of Beethoven symphonies. Fortunately the best is probably also the cheapest. Sir Charles Mackerras and the RLPO deliver stunning accounts, full of excitement and tension (I can listen to the set time and again and still the interpretations surprise me and show me new things), and it's on emi's classics for pleasure label so it just costs £15 for the 5 disc set. I've got eleven complete sets, and so far Sir Charles has beaten all comers comfortably. Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra also offer a good set (they were a stunning combination) and the set is out at reasonable price (probably around £30 if you shop around) on sony's lavishly packaged 'original jacket' label. Jochum's budget cycle is also pretty good as is Furtwangler's (though the sound quality on numbers 2 and 8 is awful, and the Furtwangler approach isn't for everyone).

Schubert. 5, 8 and 9 are my favourites and I have two good double cd sets containing these. Solti and the VPO are very fine as is Charles Mackerras with the OAE (I think the first recording of the 9th on period instruments). Sir Charles's version is of a finished version of the unfinished 8th.

Haydn. Broadly speaking, the best symphonies are the later ones (from the mid 80s onwards). Personally, I really love Bernstein's Haydn, I think he makes the music sound particularly joyful (especially on his Vienna Philharmonic recordings on DG). That said, I'd like complete sets of the London and Paris symphonies, so if anyone has good recommendations, I'm all ears.

Mozart. Broadly speaking, again, the later symphonies are the best, especially 40 and 41 (and here the Bernstein/VPO recording is especially fine). All Sir Charles Mackerras's recordings with the Prague Chamber Orchestra are also excellent (in particular how good a result he gets with the very early symphonies, which can be a little repetitive if done badly).

Brahms. Perhaps not ideal for starting out, but some great symphonic writing. Sir Charles Mackerras (again, sorry, but he's really good!) has an outstanding set with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra (interesting because he uses a smaller orchestra than normal, although like the one Brahms himself used). I'm still looking for a good set with a big orchestra, Haitink's recent LSO live cycle, while cheap, is disappointing (though the second is excellent) as is Bernstein with the VPO (except for number 4) so I'd appreciate recommendations. I'm told the Abbado cycle is good, but it isn't cheap.

Mahler. Not necessarily for everyone, and perhaps not a good place for starting off. However, I think the 4th symphony is very accessible and the classic Szell/Cleveland recording is one nobody should be without. Symphony 1 is also fairly 'easy'. Good recordings include Bernstein with the Concertgebouw and Sir Charles Mackerras with the RLPO.


so, recommendations....


regards,

Tam
Posted on: 02 September 2005 by Paul B
Surprised no one recommended Sibelius First or Second. My recommendation would be to start with either of these two with Sibelius rather than the later (more introspective IMO) symphonies.

Recommended Lps:

Symphony #1
Berglund EMI ESD7095
Maazel Decca SXL6084

Symphony #2
Maazel Decca SXL6125
Monteux RCA LSC2342
Szell Philips 835306LY

For Nielsen , I would recommend the Fifth.

Symphony #5
Berglund EMI ASD3063
Bernstein/NY Columbia MS6414
Posted on: 02 September 2005 by ClaudeP
Phillips has a Duo CD version of Haydn's "London Symphony" by Colin Davis and the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra. (Of course it has the Concertgebouw's peculiar sound, but I personally love it)

Vol 1: Cat # 4426112
Vol 2: Cat # 4426142

Inexpensive and very nice to listen to.
Posted on: 03 September 2005 by djorg
Paul B

As i am an analogue newbie, I particularly apreciate your LP recommandations.Have others symphonies lps (without good CD transferts)that you recommand?

Djorg
Posted on: 03 September 2005 by Paul B
Djorg:

I could recommend many Lps but I really do not know if they have been issued on CD or not. All of the ones I would recommend are from the pre-digital era (it was downhill for classical recordings after that IMO).

Has there ever really been a good CD transfer of an analogue recording? Winker
Posted on: 04 September 2005 by u5227470736789439
Yes! Winker

Fredrik
Posted on: 06 September 2005 by Wolf
Alanbeeb, have you been to the festival much? I'd dearly love to see Klinghoffer staged and our local Opera house helped pay for it but won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I Love it on CD, but then I'm an Adams fanatic.

Back to the Symphonies topic:
I agree for a first foray into classics Beethoven is it. Our local DJ that has quite good taste says the Zinman package is a great performance and price. Who can't love the 5,6,7 and of course the crowning glory 9th.

I also love the Schubert 9th having heard it recently from the Berlin Phil visiting with a rousing finale that made everyone stand up and cheer.

And considering this is for people not used to classical music I'd say Berlioz Sym Fantastique, it just captures the imagination and is fabulous with a drink late at night with lights low.

And, I'd say go for a late Shostokovich. He had a unique sound, very contemporary and wonderful to listen to. I'd say his 8th or an angry 11th for those rockers out there that want punch and DRAMA!

I refrain from much talk of conductors and recordings as I'm not that sophisticated in my tastes and knowledge. I defer to your superior knowledge of this and will write them down for reference.

I just remember being young and an occaisional hearing of a work and what drew me in was a DRAMATIC recording. That's why I suggested Berlioz and Shost. Sibeleius also caught my early attention with his cool and icy soundscapes. His later works were shorter as he edited himself down to the essentials, until he sadly drank himself into a stupor.

I think giving beginners vivid pieces from composers catches their attention and disperses the fear of classical music. A lot of rockers think its for the birds, but let them hear something like Night on Bald Mtn, Pictures at and Exhibition, or Beethoven's 5th they get the idea that it's exciting music.

my two bits worth.

glenn