Oppo BDP-83 BluRay player.
Posted by: tonym on 17 July 2009
I took delivery of one of these players yesterday, to replace my Panasonic BD55 - a pretty good player actually but I just fancied something a bit better, and I can relocate the Panasonic somewhere else.
The Oppo's been adapted by CRT projectors (the UK dealers) for multiregion DVD and, pretty uniquely, for A B & C region BluRay discs. I can't try the latter feature because I haven't got any region A or C disks, but it works fine on region 1 DVDs. In addition it can play DVD-A and SACDs, plus more types of video files than you can shake a stick at, on either disc or USB.
Having owned an Oppo DVD player previously (still got it) I was expecting good things, and so far I'm not disappointed - very well packaged and finished, excellent documentation and the best setup procedure and menu operation I've seen. Nice big clear remote, backlit buttons.
The player's very sophisticated and offers lots of setup options but using the quick setup routine it was up and running in a flash.
I'm using its analogue 7.1 outs into my AV2 for HD sound formats, and configuring these was very easy. I'm also using SPDIF for "Standard" DD/dts.
Once it was all set up I popped in a SACD followed by a DVD-A. Not bad! Alas, the 555 sounds much better, but then one would expect it to! (Not had a chance to give TDSOTM 4.1 DVD-A special Alan Parsons mix a try yet.)
Anyway, I watched a couple of BluRays last night (The Bourne Ultimatum & Jeff Beck in concert at Ronnie Scott's) and I was very impressed. The normal view is that when it comes to Bluray there isn't much difference in the various players but the Oppo was significantly better than the Panasonic, having an almost 3-D picture with a lovely colour rendition and very deep blacks. The sound was streets ahead; Quite surprising as I thought it was pretty good with the Panasonic before. The Oppo certainly loads in discs a whole lot quicker than either of my previous BluRay players.
Another attraction is the Oppo's "Source Direct" which bypasses its internal scaling - important to me because I use a Lumagen video processor. The DVD I played looked very fine indeed. (If I had a long enough HDMI cable I'd try bypassing the scaler & see what sort of a fist the Oppo makes of things.)
So far I'm very impressed with this player. I suppose at nigh-on £600 it's not quite the bargain the Oppo DVD players were, but then I don't know how it compares with the £1K-plus players from the likes of Sony, Pioneer and Denon; I suspect pretty well.
Posted on: 18 September 2009 by SC
Have you sorted out that AVR yet then Tony...?
Oppo HDMI into a decent AVR vs analogues into a AV2 based system is the comparison that may be interesting....
Steve.
Posted on: 18 September 2009 by tonym
Hi Steeeve! Back in blighty then!
Slight change of plan - I'm going to move all my AV stuff to the other side of the room & keep the AV2/145,2x150 arrangement for the time being. The chaps at Signals, who incidentally sell the AVR I was looking at, put me off the idea of ditching the Naim amplification.
During a recent hiccup with my Sky HD box (needed a new power supply) I thought I'd try bypassing my Lumagen processor. PQ was OK, but so much better with the Lumagen, so I think I might just try an Arcam 888 processor at some stage.
Posted on: 18 September 2009 by SC
Yeah, I'm here...getting used to quirky western stuff again like rules & regulations and paper carriers (with glorified job descriptions)...!
Ah ha, change of plan hey...Hmmm...
I agree though, my ideal and preferred end goal was always a AV pre/pro into Naim amps...I have my eye on the 888 also, though seems pricey compared to the integrated AV600 - I haven't completely worked out what the differences are yet....!
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by SC
Tony,
Can I ask, when you have/had the Oppo - or any other analogue multi channel input - into the AV2, I'm presuming you are setting the Speaker sizes/crossovers/distance etc on the Oppo/source...? What then happens to the AV2 settings for the exact same - can this be bypassed for the multi analogue inputs but still respected for other inputs ??
Cheers, S
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by tonym
Good question! Using multichannels the AV2's relative volume settings remain, but you lose the distance delays, so these latter need to be set on the player.
The settings for SP/DIF are unaltered.
PS, if you & your partner ever fancy popping over for a listen, you'd be very welcome! (E-mail in profile).
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by SC
Cheers Tony ! You're a star.
May well take you up on your offer for sure
....May even bring you a bottle of luke-warm English beer !
I'm just working on finding somewhere to live first before I get all this sorted..!
So, in the meantime just researching whether to stick to the AV2 plans or jump ship as I've been threatening all along...
I understand what you say about having to do the distance settings on the analogue source, and this would be no problem on the players I'm thinking about, but the rest of the usual stuff also has to be set: Crossover, speaker size, etc - so will this not be replicated when it then hits the AV2 ? I'll have a read of the AV2 manual again instead of keep hitting you with boring questions...!
Will email soon !
Steve.
Posted on: 20 September 2009 by tonym
Speaker size and crossover needs to be set on the player. In the case of the latter with the Oppo, this is fixed at 80Hz, but no matter - if you set speakers to "Large" in the player, only the LF effects are sent to the sub, which is really what you want if you've got full-range main speakers.
I confess I've never really fiddled too much with this side of things since getting the Oppo. Sounds pretty good to me with L, R & Centre set to "large".
Posted on: 02 October 2009 by JonR
According to good ol '
What Hifi, there will be an official UK version of this player, called the BDP-831, available for sale from October 7th. Cost £449.
Posted on: 03 October 2009 by Mr Underhill
Calling natnc:
Any news re:Modwright?
Posted on: 03 October 2009 by webrat11
Can I ask how you get from the Oppo's analogue outputs to AV2 analogue inputs - where does one get such a cable please? I am right to think this is 5 or 7 phone to (naim) Din?
Thx. Ian
Posted on: 03 October 2009 by natnc
quote:
Any news re:Modwright?
I just heard from Dan. He's at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest until Monday. Said it was almost done and that he would QC it and send it next week. Shipping takes a while since he is on the other side of the country. I can't wait to hear how it turns out!
BTW, He's a great guy and stands by his work. Always has time to talk or send an e-mail personally. Nice to have that level of service from the owner!
Nat
Posted on: 04 October 2009 by tonym
quote:
Originally posted by webrat11:
Can I ask how you get from the Oppo's analogue outputs to AV2 analogue inputs - where does one get such a cable please? I am right to think this is 5 or 7 phone to (naim) Din?
Thx. Ian
Hi Ian. Yes, in fact you need two Din to either 6 or 8 phono cables. Mine were made up by my local dealer, Signals, but you can probably get them specially made up from other cable purveyors.
Posted on: 05 October 2009 by Mr Underhill
quote:
Originally posted by natnc:
quote:
Any news re:Modwright?
I just heard from Dan. He's at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest until Monday. Said it was almost done and that he would QC it and send it next week. Shipping takes a while since he is on the other side of the country. I can't wait to hear how it turns out!
BTW, He's a great guy and stands by his work. Always has time to talk or send an e-mail personally. Nice to have that level of service from the owner!
Nat
Thx Nat,
I ALMOST bought the Modwright valve pre rather than my EAR, depending what you say I may well decide to give him a call. I don't anticipate Naim bringing out a BR5 to replace the DVD5.
M
Posted on: 06 October 2009 by DAVOhorn
Last weekend was playing with the JLTi modded version of the OPPO.
Mighty fine it sounded too.
Joe Rasmussen who does these mods has done a fine job making this a fabulous multiformat player with the emphasis on sound quality.
I am considering purchasing this. Hopefully borrow it within the next 2 weeks.
regards david
Posted on: 06 October 2009 by Occean
I have to say, I have been consider upgrading from my PS3 for sometime and this player is ticking all the right boxes at a very reasonable price.
Cheers for bringing it to my attention!
Posted on: 06 October 2009 by webrat11
Roy, you have a PM.
Posted on: 07 October 2009 by Roy Donaldson
You can't PM on this forum, go over to PFM and ping me there, my id is the same.
Roy.
Posted on: 12 October 2009 by karyboue
quote:
Originally posted by tonym:
OK, here's my tuppence-worth.
For DD/dts, very good indeed & virtually indistinguishable from SP/DIF into AV2 digital input.
Hi tonym,
I am not sure that I understand it right ?
You've listenned to DD/dts from a DVD disc or CoreDD/dts extracted from the HD formats of a Blu Ray disc ?
It makes a difference.
CoreDD/dts are quite impressive to me with my AV2 and a cheap Sony S350 in SP/DIF.
Posted on: 13 October 2009 by tonym
Hi karyboue,
I know it makes a difference...
I've now listened to both BluRay & DVD via SPDIF into the AV2, therefore core on BluRay, and DVD DD/dts via analogue inputs on the AV2. All sound excellent.
May I suggest you try an Oppo in your system? Then you can find out for yourself with your own setup. It's the only way!
Posted on: 13 October 2009 by karyboue
Thanks,
Unfortunatly, I have no possibility of listenning to the Oppo
In fact my choice is between a Panasonic BD recorder to replace my BD player + DVD/HDD recorder because my TV lacks 1 HDMI input, and the Oppo + keeping my DVD/HDD recorder (and I will go on with pluging/unpluging the HDMI cables)
So knowing that the image quality of the Oppo is the best but that my TV is not top-notch, sound quality only is what will determine my choice :
- If the gap is important between mutlichannel HD format VS coreDD/dts SP/DIF on the AV2, I would go for the Oppo solution.
- If the sound difference exist but is light between mutli-channel HD format VS coreDD/dts SP/DIF I would go for the Panasonic BD recorder.
What do you think ?
I've always red that unless buying units like Sony 5000ES or Pioneer BDP LX 91, it was not really worth using multi-channel outputs over SP/DIF ? But may be the Oppo is the exception ?
Posted on: 27 October 2009 by JonR
quote:
Originally posted by JonR:
According to good ol '
What Hifi, there will be an official UK version of this player, called the BDP-831, available for sale from October 7th. Cost £449.
Oh dear (if you're a would-be European customer)
Posted on: 28 October 2009 by tonym
A very strange business indeed!
I understand there are a few of the european machines already out there so not really sure why they've decided to withdraw the machine at this late stage.
Fortunately, for those who want one, the US spec. model (identical in main spec.to the now-cancelled EU version) is still available from the Oppo agents, CRT Projectors. Mine's from there and the service they offer is superb - mine's a multi-region one for both DVD and BluRay (not that I've got any US discs mind...)
Posted on: 01 November 2009 by lawoftrust
Tony,
any plan to change your AV2 to a HD ready AV Processor or do you intend to keep the AV2 as long as it last?
Hearing that the decoders of AV2 and Oppo do not sound better or worse makes me feel the AV2 is not the best of quality regarding decoding (comparing price of AV2 and Oppo).
Georg
Posted on: 01 November 2009 by tonym
Having listened to a fair few processors I can assure you the AV2 is superb at decoding!
I might be tempted by a HD processor at some stage - I think one with some form of room equalisation.
Posted on: 02 November 2009 by lawoftrust
Have you actually listened to any processor that would be worth to consider as replacement of the AV2?