Are you happy with Her Majesty's government?
Posted by: Sloop John B on 03 May 2006
From reading a few of the posts here (particularly the congestion charge one) there would seem to a lot of simmering resentment in mainland UK of your government.
From Ireland it's hard to assess things, we tend to lok on British governments from the point of view of Northern Ireland and certainly Tony Blair (and Bill Clinton) have done immense work there.
Are you all that cynical and fed up with your government?
SJB
From Ireland it's hard to assess things, we tend to lok on British governments from the point of view of Northern Ireland and certainly Tony Blair (and Bill Clinton) have done immense work there.
Are you all that cynical and fed up with your government?
SJB
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by erik scothron
one third of HM's goverment is in Brussels,
another third is in the White House and
the final third are in their secretaries panties. Where will it all end. I'm emigrating.
another third is in the White House and
the final third are in their secretaries panties. Where will it all end. I'm emigrating.
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by Don Atkinson
quote:Are you all that cynical and fed up with your government?
I think you are confusing "the press" (which includes the BBC/ITV etc) with the public.
Two completely different things. Although the press seem to think its their job to bring down whoever's at the top of any "ladder", even if it means the press have to put that person/cause at the top of the "ladder" in the first place.
OTOH, I don't really like Charles Clarke, he's too arogant. I don't really like Patricia Hewitt, she's too patronising and I don't really like John Prescott, he's..........where do you start?
But cynical? or fed up with the government?.........I can't wait for David Cameron to take over (with Davis/Dracula/etal), or Minges Campell (and a bunch of Pouffs) or Gordon Brown (pensions? you've still got SOME pension rights?...)
NOT
Cheers
Don
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by Steve2701
quote:simmering resentment in mainland UK of your government.
At some stage soon it will boil over BIG STYLE.
I am utterley sick to the stomach of being told just how 'well off' we actually are at the moment. I wish someone would explain to me why I am therefore working harder than ever for less and less in the pay packet (?) and overall I see the country as a whole ( a country I do actually love) going to the dogs.
I to, sadly, will be looking to leave just as soon as my kids have finished their education. Where to go is the question, but this place needs fixing, someone, please?.
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by BigH47
Her majesty's government is fine it's ours that shit!
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by Guido Fawkes
Recently heard a woman politician complaining that when at school her careers officer recommended she become a librarian - she remarked that he obviously couldn't see that she could aspire to being an MP.
My view was that the careers officer was trying to steer her in the direction of doing something useful rather than becoming an MP - possibly the lowest profession anybody can stoop to.
Oscar Wilde at a dinner party apologised for attempting intelligent conversation as he said he hadn't realised his dinner companion was a member of parliament.
As I quoted in a previous post the only man to ever enter parliament with honourable intentions was Guy Fawkes.
If you get a chance the Third World War albums are a the best tribute to the government - see link.
And remember Don't Vote = it just encourages them!
My view was that the careers officer was trying to steer her in the direction of doing something useful rather than becoming an MP - possibly the lowest profession anybody can stoop to.
Oscar Wilde at a dinner party apologised for attempting intelligent conversation as he said he hadn't realised his dinner companion was a member of parliament.
As I quoted in a previous post the only man to ever enter parliament with honourable intentions was Guy Fawkes.
If you get a chance the Third World War albums are a the best tribute to the government - see link.
And remember Don't Vote = it just encourages them!
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by joe90
The main problem with governments is that they're littered with humans - and greedy, self-serving, a-moral, power hungry little ratbags they are.
Generally the ones who are honest and moral and have common sense are eaten alive by the other crafty type, so is it any wonder war has been the only constant in humanity's existense?
I don't advocate anarchy, but the only type of government that has any chance of getting anything useful done for Humanity is a benevolent dictatorship.
'Democracy' - what a joke.
Generally the ones who are honest and moral and have common sense are eaten alive by the other crafty type, so is it any wonder war has been the only constant in humanity's existense?
I don't advocate anarchy, but the only type of government that has any chance of getting anything useful done for Humanity is a benevolent dictatorship.
'Democracy' - what a joke.
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by Mr Underhill
A colleague told me today that of every pound earned in the UK 78% ends up with HMG either directly or indirectly.
This Government in particular have barrelled into areas that have been seen as delicate and not easily sorted such as: House of Lords; Devolution and Regional Gov. Having made things even messier they have then stopped and scratched their heads very publically.
There has been a MASS of legislation over the last ten years, bad laws overseen by a mass of civil servants clogging the arteries of commerce.
The latest example is the people not deported following their sentences. Regardless of the view taken WHY does the law need changing? This appears to me to be a way for a politician to be able to claim it is nothing to do with them, there was an issue with the LAW. No doubt hoping we will forget that Mr C. saw a report sent to him and didn't do anything.
There was a Governmant commission that reported about the state of democracy in the UK a few weeks ago. Apparently one of its suggestions was that if a percentage of the electorate signed for a given proposal there should be a referendum. Now that seems to me to be something that would enliven politics.........funnily enough it seems to have sunk without trace. Most people I have mentioned it to haven't even heard or read about it.
After all, we wouldn't want to give the people a genuine say in the running of the country would we.
Just to throw some fuel on the flames I also firmly believe we should introduce a number of qualifications to vote. Just reaching a given age is NOT enough.
Martin
This Government in particular have barrelled into areas that have been seen as delicate and not easily sorted such as: House of Lords; Devolution and Regional Gov. Having made things even messier they have then stopped and scratched their heads very publically.
There has been a MASS of legislation over the last ten years, bad laws overseen by a mass of civil servants clogging the arteries of commerce.
The latest example is the people not deported following their sentences. Regardless of the view taken WHY does the law need changing? This appears to me to be a way for a politician to be able to claim it is nothing to do with them, there was an issue with the LAW. No doubt hoping we will forget that Mr C. saw a report sent to him and didn't do anything.
There was a Governmant commission that reported about the state of democracy in the UK a few weeks ago. Apparently one of its suggestions was that if a percentage of the electorate signed for a given proposal there should be a referendum. Now that seems to me to be something that would enliven politics.........funnily enough it seems to have sunk without trace. Most people I have mentioned it to haven't even heard or read about it.
After all, we wouldn't want to give the people a genuine say in the running of the country would we.
Just to throw some fuel on the flames I also firmly believe we should introduce a number of qualifications to vote. Just reaching a given age is NOT enough.
Martin
Posted on: 03 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
The trouble starts at the top. An elderly friend once told me that anyone posing for a photo smiling in a fashion that his or her teeth were visible was not to be trusted as having integrity. How right Tony Blair shows that simple assessment to be! The thing is I expected to be proven right from day one and no one believed me. I shall not be calling in any bets. I am no more delighted about it than anyone else.
Fredrik
PS: I think you find that I have been entirely consistent in my very rare political postings. I hate being negative, and hence my very rare posts about the whole New Labour thing. You may note a similar lack of posting about the others as well, for quite similar reasons...
I want to emigrate, as this country is finished unless one can find political patronage, and that applies to a tiny minority of people of course. It is uterly finished for the 'little man.'
Fredrik
PS: I think you find that I have been entirely consistent in my very rare political postings. I hate being negative, and hence my very rare posts about the whole New Labour thing. You may note a similar lack of posting about the others as well, for quite similar reasons...
I want to emigrate, as this country is finished unless one can find political patronage, and that applies to a tiny minority of people of course. It is uterly finished for the 'little man.'
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by 7V
quote:Originally posted by joe90:
I don't advocate anarchy, but the only type of government that has any chance of getting anything useful done for Humanity is a benevolent dictatorship.
'Democracy' - what a joke.
So who should be nominated as our first benevolent dictator?
...and, which dictators (worldwide, over the last 50 years) have demonstrated the sort of qualities we need?
Regards
Steve
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by 7V
Like Churchill said.
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Joe,
All Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. You might start as benevoent dictator, but the benevolence would not last.
Fredrik
All Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. You might start as benevoent dictator, but the benevolence would not last.
Fredrik
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by Sir Crispin Cupcake
quote:You might start as benevoent dictator, but the benevolence would not last.
Fredrik
Oh I don't know, Fidel Castro has done a pretty good job under the circumstances.
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by jcs_smith
quote:Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
An elderly friend once told me that anyone posing for a photo smiling in a fashion that his or her teeth were visible was not to be trusted as having integrity.
Blair puts vaseline on his teeth to make it easier to smile all day. Not very relevant but I thought it was interesting anyway
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Richard,
I may be wrong of course, but I am not sure that Joe shares F Castro's politics!
Dear jcs,
I have found T Blair incredibly mannered in his halting delivery and continual glances to camera, with a 'please like me, I am a genuine honest guy' expression on his face, so that I immediately felt suspiscious of his motivation even before he was brought to power in the General Election. I felt he was a wrong one from before day one of this administration.
Fredrik
I may be wrong of course, but I am not sure that Joe shares F Castro's politics!
Dear jcs,
I have found T Blair incredibly mannered in his halting delivery and continual glances to camera, with a 'please like me, I am a genuine honest guy' expression on his face, so that I immediately felt suspiscious of his motivation even before he was brought to power in the General Election. I felt he was a wrong one from before day one of this administration.
Fredrik
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by Sir Crispin Cupcake
Agreed. I can't stand Blair either, he's a smarmy, mendacious git and if the laws of Nuremberg still applied, he would be hanged for the war on Iraq.
Richard
Richard
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by Malky
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr Underhill:
Just to throw some fuel on the flames I also firmly believe we should introduce a number of qualifications to vote. Just reaching a given age is NOT enough.
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What a splendid suggestion. Perhaps we could reintroduce voting rights based on the number of windows in your property. Just an idea.
Just to throw some fuel on the flames I also firmly believe we should introduce a number of qualifications to vote. Just reaching a given age is NOT enough.
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What a splendid suggestion. Perhaps we could reintroduce voting rights based on the number of windows in your property. Just an idea.
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by JoeH
quote:Originally posted by Sloop John B:
From Ireland it's hard to assess things, we tend to lok on British governments from the point of view of Northern Ireland and certainly Tony Blair (and Bill Clinton) have done immense work there.
Are you all that cynical and fed up with your government?
Nah, it just that we're British. We enjoy whingeing, if not about politics, then about the weather, or sport, or the poor state of next door's garden.
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by jcs_smith
quote:Originally posted by Richard Brown:
Agreed. I can't stand Blair either, he's a smarmy, mendacious git and if the laws of Nuremberg still applied, he would be hanged for the war on Iraq.
Richard
Agreed. I just find it sad that so many people have been and still are taken in by him
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by paul_g
quote:Originally posted by Malky:
Perhaps we could reintroduce voting rights based on the number of windows in your property.
As the owner of a bungalow, I consider this unfair discrimination & an infringement of my human rights & I demand a recount !
However, I do agree with the principle of restricting voting rights & think that they should be denied to the following individuals :-
1. Those displaying tattoos, nipple/eyebrow/nose rings, tongue studs or mohecan haircuts.
2. People who say "ya know", "like", "at the end of the day", "the boy done good", "wicked" or end every sentence with rising inflection.
3. Those who habitually wear replica soccer shirts.
4. Owners of noisy mopeds and/or cars with multi-subwoofer stereos which can play nothing but rap music (with the windows open).
Basically, most under 25s & all professional footballers .....
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by jcs_smith
quote:Originally posted by paul_g:
However, I do agree with the principle of restricting voting rights & think that they should be denied to the following individuals :-
1. Those displaying tattoos, nipple/eyebrow/nose rings, tongue studs or mohecan haircuts.
Does that mean that I can vote as long as I wear a long-sleeved shirt to cover up my tattoos and piercings?
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by Malky
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paul_g:
People who say "ya know", "like", "at the end of the day", "the boy done good", "wicked" or end every sentence with rising inflection.
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"cool", "do I look bothered?"
People who say "ya know", "like", "at the end of the day", "the boy done good", "wicked" or end every sentence with rising inflection.
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"cool", "do I look bothered?"
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by paul_g
quote:Originally posted by jcs_smith:
Does that mean that I can vote as long as I wear a long-sleeved shirt to cover up my tattoos and piercings?
Hmmm .... that's a tough call.
I might be prepared to stretch the point if you agreed to wear a false moustache & shades too for your visit to the Polling Station - provided you don't meet any of the other criteria of course.
Although on reflection, a postal vote might be more appropriate to avoid any possible distress to others.
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by Donald
What about those that can't spell - (Mohican!)
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by JoeH
quote:Originally posted by Donald:
What about those that can't spell - (Mohican!)
They're only required to put an X in a box!
Posted on: 04 May 2006 by jcs_smith
quote:Originally posted by paul_g:quote:Originally posted by jcs_smith:
Does that mean that I can vote as long as I wear a long-sleeved shirt to cover up my tattoos and piercings?
Hmmm .... that's a tough call.
I might be prepared to stretch the point if you agreed to wear a false moustache & shades too for your visit to the Polling Station - provided you don't meet any of the other criteria of course.
Although on reflection, a postal vote might be more appropriate to avoid any possible distress to others.
A moustache, really? This is the 21st century. A moustache is definitely more suspect than tats. Besides I need the tattoos - as a bouncer they're part of my job description