Is the Recession Exaggerated

Anyone care to guess how Mick would solve unemployment?

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Originally posted by avole:

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
avole

Try knocking on a few doors and start cleaning a few windows instead of making sarky comments.

Either you get off your ass and do something or you go hungry, your choice.

Regards

Mick

Spare us a tanner, guv, or a bit o' that turbot orf your tabel!

And sing along to a song while so doing - please click here.

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Positioning is everything.

A man with a vision...

The problem with internet forums is that some people can say what they like with no personal moderation.

I'm certain they wouldn't say anything quite so offensive in public as it would conclude with some expensive rhinoplasty and dental bills ...

err?

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:
err?

Stephen, one particular poster is rubbing me the wrong way, can you guess who it is ?

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Originally posted by shoot6x7:
Stephen, one particular poster is rubbing me the wrong way, can you guess who it is ?

I see...
There does seem to be alot of strong feelings on this forum lately. We can all get on surely, after all we are all related(sort of)with our naim sets.

Everyone has their own opinions and experiences and should be accepted as such IMO.

In all honesty if a poster annoys me, i just ignore it, unless it is personally insulting and directed as such.

Anyways, i hope i do not rub people up the wrong way, it is the last thing on my mind. On the same token, working on construction sites for many years has taught me and given me a very thick skin. Also being a father of 4 children (boys) has given me infinite tolerance.

This is not directed at you by the way but just me merely voicing off.

Just been on the Munch thread - could be a food fight going on...

cheers, Steve

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Originally posted by Stephen Tate:

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Originally posted by shoot6x7:
Stephen, one particular poster is rubbing me the wrong way, can you guess who it is ?

I see...
There does seem to be alot of strong feelings on this forum lately. We can all get on surely, after all we are all related(sort of)with our naim sets.

Everyone has their own opinions and experiences and should be accepted as such IMO.

In all honesty if a poster annoys me, i just ignore it, unless it is personally insulting and directed as such.

Anyways, i hope i do not rub people up the wrong way, it is the last thing on my mind. On the same token, working on construction sites for many years has taught me and given me a very thick skin. Also being a father of 4 children (boys) has given me infinite tolerance.

This is not directed at you by the way but just me merely voicing off.

Just been on the Munch thread - could be a food fight going on...

cheers, Steve

Certainly not directed at you Stephen. If you're a professional, out of work due to the economy, you don't want to hear 'get on your bike' ...

No, i completely agree, you do not want to hear this sort of thing. I class these people as androids not human, they live in a bubble, we live in a real world

If this was said "get on yer bike" on a scaffold full of hard working men, expect to be launched of it before you can finish the sentence.

warm regards, steve

I can't believe that Mick Parry has the nerve to tell us all how he and a select section of society are able to partake of fine dining while others live on or below the breadline.
I think other posters have already tagged Mr Parry with an appropriate four letter title.

Some people are not fit to walk the streets IMHO.

Chaps

I cannot understand why some of you are making this personal. I am saying that some people are suffering with the recession and some people are doing well. I also said that it took me a couple of weeks to get offers of two jobs and I am 60, so I am no spring chicken. It is merely a question of positioning yourself so you are always in demand.

If I can do it, so can others.

Also I went to lunch at a golf club just outside of Oxford and again nearly every table was taken therefore demonstrating that all is not gloom and doom as the good times are still rolling.

Regards

Mick

Thanks for keeping us posted re: your dinner dates, it's truly gripping stuff Mick.

You are welcome .... burp

There is an awful lot of luck in life, and it is not spread out evenly.

Life is often brutally unfair, with the unsrupulous doing well more often than the honest.

It rains on the just man and it rains on the unjust, but it rains more on the just than the unjust because the unjust man has the just man's umbrella.

The position any of us find ourselves in is significantly affected by the position that our parents set us off in.

Imagine if my father had not gone out of business nearly thirty years ago, and had handed on the farm to my brother and I?

I would have spent the last three decades earning a good profit growing food, rather than working in the food industry on close to the lowest wages available in the UK?

Once one ends up in a disadvantaged position it is very difficult to get back onto the hierachy where one left it before the fall.

In the UK it is still much more important to know the right people than to have personal integrity or talent, even now, which is not good, and not good the economic prospects of the country as we strive to come out of the recession.

I suspect this very factor alone will mean that the recession has longer lasting effects in the UK than other countries where the merit of the person is more important than their position in society per se.

ATB from George

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
You are welcome .... burp

Mick, public flatulence is the hallmark of an unemployed, scrounging, council estate chav.

Its outbursts such as this that are lowering the tone of this forum.

If it does not let up I will seriously think about posting about thinking about leaving this forum.

Mick

If you posted in the abstract, noting that many restaurants are often full and that things can't be all that bad instead of positioning yourself as the centre of the story then your would get a more positive reception. The reality is that you are right.

It can't always be about you.

George

I was with you 100% until you claimed that it was who you know versus what you know that was dragging the UK down. It is the same the world over. Sorry if that bursts a bubble.

Regards

Jim

Jim

Dear Jim,

I am sure that it is the probably almost the same everywhere, but I do think that social mobility based on talent is indeed greater in Scandinavia for example than class-bound Britain.

I cannot comment on countries I have no real understanding of in this, including the USA, though there is a great feeling that the USA is tha land of opportunity, so perhaps it is better there as well.

You have or are living there I believe so perhaps you are in a position to say how the USA compares to the UK in this.

ATB from George

PS: No bubbles to burst Jim. I am always learning. Never immovable in my ideas.

George

It is the same the world over. Networking is crucial to success. As an employer, if I have a choice of an unknown candidate with a great C.V. and who has interviewed well, and a candidate I know or whom others that I trust highly recommend, then I will go with the one who is personally known or recommended to me most of the time.

I am currently in London - have been since last September - but it is no different in the US, Latin America or in India. I have lived and worked in all of those places and it is no different.

What is diiferent about the US is that the negativity, pessimism and the defeatism that pervades the some parts of the UK culture is not as apparent (to me at least) over there.

Regards

Jim

Dear Jim,

What is sad in my mind in the UK is that we have a politcal elite that largely went to University at a time when the student got a large enough grant to see the finances straight, allowing for the student to quite possibly [though not inevitably!] optimise his potential reading his degree ...

This was possible because the numbers going to university were not so large as today, and in fact it was accademically much more of a challenge to get into universtiy thirty years ago than now.

But this same political elete [on all politcal sides] has seen to it that the university opportunity now carries a huge financial burden, so that the very bright but very poor student stands less chance than a generation ago of fully realising his potential.

This is a reversion to a Victorian style of almost inetiable waste of talent, based on the economic status of the parents, rather than the potential offered by the talents of the offspring [to greater degree]. I think things were in this respect better a generation ago in the UK. Now I am not propmoting the idea that half the populatiuon should go to universties fully funded, but rather a smaller number who pass rather tougher exams than the current A-levels, and these should be fully funded as of old. We may also consider that the technical colleges would do well to be training more useful vocations than currently, so that we do not have the lack of engineers, and skilled artisans, which jobs have been so successfully filled in the UK in the last few years by people from the eastern state of the EU - the new accession states.

We may consider a well educated population of greater value than spending on a replacement for Trident, or building new aircraft carriers, or even partaking so vigourously in War hotspots round the globe.

I do wonder about the priorities of our politicians who did well out of - a system they then effectively hauled the drawbridge up behind themselves by making the funding so much harder for the relatively less well off students.

I hope that does nopt sound too negative.

ATB from George

George

It does sound negative. Very negative in fact. I don't have a degree, yet I, through a combination of good fortune and hard work and I hate to say it personal networking, have and currently hold positions of corporate office in both the US and the UK.

I don't share your views that the UK is spending on defense to the detriment of education. I do agree that the UK education system is in great need of reform.

That is a different debate for a different thread though.

JIm

Dear Jim,

We have come a long way off topic.

I hope Mick will forgive us!

ATB from George

George

This thread embraces the subject of negativity because some people would rather moan about their circumstances and blame others rather than getting off their bums and doing something about it themselves.

In this world you make your own luck and having a competitive nature is a lot more useful than having a Degree which in this country is now only a worthless bit of paper. Degrees have been devalued completely.

Energy and grit is what seperates the men from the boys.

Regards

Mick

Not age & pubic hair then?

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Mick, public flatulence ...

I think I broke a rib Malky!

Dear Mick,

If you ever met me, you would be in no doubt about my energy. My gritty determination to make the best of what is possible.

You might also be struck by a profound gentleness which would never allow me to succeed in something if it involved doing someone else down.

I have to say that being taught to be considerate and careful of others, and taught this in a private boreding school, has probably been the single biggest factor in my failing to advance up the hierachy!

Too late now though. Strangely I don't think a person makes their own luck. There is an element of this of course, but the friend I knew who died of liver cancer at 36, certainly did not make his own luck. He suffered the most apalling bad luck. He was not a smoker, nor did he drink, and lived a clean life.

I think it is quite possible to live a virtuous life, with scruples, and self-reliance and for all that one pushes for something, it is perfectly easy for a few strokes of luck to completely remove a person from achieving more than a fraction of their potential.

ATB from George