Sharpening Kitchen Wits?

Now I know what andy meant by "tormented soul".
I think the Dali Lama would probably agree.
But being more polite than you (who isn't?) would never dream of thinking it aloud.
Sleep well Phritz. (if you can)

Oh Dear Fritz,

Its is good job I don't have an adgenda! I have no idea why you re so vexed by what I would write in good faith! But then I am really am a simple soul! If you really want me to bugger off, I will, but I simply have no idea why. Nataturally I will wiil not spoil your fun, as that is not my aim or ambition.

Explain what it is that annoys you and either I can avoid it or think it too much (and bugger of, of course!)!

All the best from Fredrik.

Fredrik,

Ignore him. First week in a new job, the Hammers won, too much cheese, too much excitement and probably too much liquid refreshment for the old boy. His age is catching up on him, he simply cannot take it any more. None of which is an excuse for his rudeness.

Regards

Nic

I'm not annoyed in the slightest Fredders old hat, and I do now see where your limits seemingly lie. Time is of the essence, and having it wasted by repetitive nonesense is my point. Agenda's and saracasm by Nime are all good and fine, and on a virtual internet forum are obviously par for the course, but is there not a point in question here, namely that of originality verses perfect as near as damned it reproduction of sorts?

I wonder about Mao, Stalin, Pot, and Carpet Chewer, etc, etc, who all denounced originality and free thinking as dangerous to the whole-good, but who/were all themselves exactly that which they all supposedly despised, innit* I was talking to somebody recently on another forum who reminded me of this fact, as well as the pretty salient point that Oh so many folk jump upon other peoples bandwagons for the pleasant ride, and just never know (if ever) when to actually alight*

Grapelli is/was an original musical genius.
Menuin is/was a genius at playing the violin.

quote:

Originally posted by nicnaim:
Fredrik,

Ignore him. First week in a new job, the Hammers won, too much cheese, too much excitement and probably too much liquid refreshment for the old boy. His age is catching up on him, he simply cannot take it any more. None of which is an excuse for his rudeness.

Regards

Nic

I can be serious, and I can be relaxed, but rude, hopefully I am not! I'm very pleased that you are sad enough to post on this thread, and suggest you get a life Squire (Now yer famous at last)*

Regards,


Ethel

Dear Fritz,

I am still not sure why I have offended you, and no such wish is in my bones! I hate sarcasm. I hate the use of irony. I see that paradox is innevitable. What have i said? Seriously, as I promise to try to learn from it!

I love music, but love people more, albeit in an etelioted form I'd grant. But love them I do. And they love me back, even if on my simple terms. I am not clever or sophisticated. But deeply kind underneath, so do tell, and I promise to avoid trampling on corns again, if only I knew what they were....

Fredrik

Fritz,

Have you ever considered Ritalin?

Nic

Fredders me old China, you have not offended me in any way whatso'ever, that's why I'm still talking to you old chum, and I referred to Nime's sarcasm lapse! it's not your weakness, and the other comment regarding me taking certain medication (not new or funny by the way) is not even worth mentioning further, pretty pathetic actually, if not indeed insulting.

I love music too, I love instruments, I love wood, and I love myself, so all in all, things are fairly hunky dory I'd say Fredders, innit.*

P.S. Telling the whole world that you are kind and good, is in my mind more egoistic than my own rantings (just a thought)!

Both Menuhin, and Grapelli were genius musicians actaully! Grapelli may well have been the greater violinist, actually, which does nothing to diminish eithers' efforts musically.

You post was co-incident with my earlier reply, but had I seen it I doubt if my plea would have beem different. We all exist in world where there are too many humans, but none fare compelled to justify their existence. I actually do feel compelled to do so to myself, which involves a degree of kindness to total strangers, and you remain one, of course. But if I hope you will explain your reasoning as to why I have offended you. If I have not your language above is inexplicable and unreasonable. I am at a lose, I am afraid, and mighty disappointed at that.

fredrik

I have never suggested that you take or continue with medication. Pray tell where this nasty rumour came from? Fredrik

PS: People who know me well either think I am kind or a hard bastard, so don't judge too well from a distance will you!

What are you actually selling Son, Sgt Pepper, or Wot?*

Dear Fritz,

Like you (as you say from time to time), I have no agenda: I sell nothing. I am an individual, and, like you, certainly enjoy getting a certain degree of of respect from others. Fredrik

quote:

Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Fritz,

Like you (as you say from time to time), I have no agenda: I sell nothing. I am an individual, and, like you, certainly enjoy a certain degree of of respect from others. Fredrik

I respect you Fredrik. You always post interesting comments and you seem to be a genuinely decent and most thoughtful chap and from the tone of many here I would say my view was shared by most if not all.

All the best,

Erik

Well said Captain (TA wasn't it John?)

Fredders certainly is a credit to us all, and I'm also very pleased you yourself find time to post in this thread too, innit*

Regards,


Fritz

Dear Erik,

Thanks, as it it is right enough at a distance you might think that. If you knew me in person, and this is not sanctimoneous clap-trap, I believe you would retain that view. What I need to know is what Fritz thinks I have done wrong, here - before I make any next move viz-a-viz what do do with this. In other words withdraw or not.

Fredrik

quote:

Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:

I can be serious, and I can be relaxed, but rude, hopefully I am not! I'm very pleased that you are sad enough to post on this thread, and suggest you get a life Squire (Now yer famous at last)*

Regards,


Ethel[/QUOTE]

Fritz,

There seems to be a bit of a contradiction in your words above!

Being sad is the last thing I am at present. Especially having seen Souness go out, and watching Shearer's goal go in at the Gallowgate end today with my son.

Fame (or infamy in your case) is not something I seek.

If I may be so bold, you are perhaps not the most qualified to judge objectively whether you are being rude or not.

Your long range pot shots, and quotes taken out of context can admittedly be amusing on occasions, but clearly hurtful on others.

Your reaction to my (admittedly cheap) jibe about ritalin, suggests you are more a Gunner (they don't like it up them) than a Hammer.

Get some sleep and come back a nicer person in the morning.

Nic

quote:

Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Erik,

Thanks, as it it is right enough at a distance you might think that. If you knew me in person, and this is not sanctimoneous clap-trap, I believe you would retain that view. What I need to know is what Fritz thinks I have done wrong, here - before I make any next move viz-a-viz what do do with this.



Fredrik

Personally I would not trouble myself with it Fredrik, Fritz seems like a bright chap who likes to challenge people and push the envlelop and indeed boundaries. I admire that within the limits.

As previously said; I personally only know one person on this forum, so the rest are virtual, and therefore suspect in the real world, and that Chaps, is the world in which I live, innit*

P.s. Once again, I'll refrain from commenting upon previous sniping, and remind folk that on this my only thread, as is the case when I go to my local for a beer (alone), I don't go to you*

Dear Erik and Fritz,

Naturally, I shall watch this space, but all I would ask, Dear Fritz, is that you would respect me with as wide a berth as I shall respect you if that is what you want. I am not going away from the forum, whatever you might hope for, even if I will certainly refrain from posting in your Threads if that is what you want, but please don't quote me from elsewhere and expect no reaction, in that particular case following a post of yours, where ever it may be.

Fredrik

quote:

Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Erik and Fritz,

Naturally, I shall watch this space, but all I would ask, Dear Fritz, is that you would respect me with as wide a berth as I shall respect you if that is what you want. I am not going away from the forum, whatever you might hope for, even if I will certainly refrain from posting in your Threads if that is what you want, but please don't quote me from elsewhere and expect no reaction, in that particular case following a post of yours, where ever it may be.

Fredrik

Ditto

I really don't know what you're talking about Fredders, you haven't been at the old shoe polish again have you John? For the last time, you have not insulted me, and I am not upset with you either, and I still enjoy your posts as well, 'sometimes' (I'll not say it again), so please reda this, and then destroy the evidence, innit.

Regards,


Fritz von Brown Ale in a pretty bottle*

Fredders old Man! As the gist of my argument has obviously once again been niftilly side-stepped, circumvented, or plainly not warranted as being a serious one by all and sundrie (nothing new there then), I'll just leave you again with the thoughts of why I actually chose to mention messers: 'Grapelli & Menuin' in the first place, and on that note will finally retire to the old scratcher.


Frötz*

Wheel in the sky keeps on turnin:

Dear fritz,

If there is a riddle in the Grapelli , Menuhin reference it is lost on me! As I said, I look for the messeage, not a clever subtext: both were great musicianns, but Grapelli was the greater technician of the violin. If more can be drawn from their respective artistry than that, you will have to explain it to me in words of one syllable, as your subtlety is indeed lost on me in this instance.

Given you general approach, above, in any anycase, I shall take the chance here to make my appologies in advance for not poking a genial face round your corner of the Padded Cell again, as real life is occasionally rough enough, without adding confussion, mis-perception and out and out rudeness to it, on a voluntary basis ,in the ether-world, that has no significance beyond beying the source of some harmless fun

However, and I shall watch, please don't quote me from elsewhere, and expect no reaction. The reaction will be in proportion to the none-sense you make of my original idea. That I promiss.

I wish you a happy life and go well, Dear Fritz, from Fredrik

Dear Fritz,

I think I have got it, on re-reading the previous two pages. You consider Grapelli greater than Menuhin, not because he was the finer fiddle player, but because he was a free-style player, who used the tunes he and others wrote as a basis for his performances, rather than working to bring older music to life again. In that way Bach was of course the great artists and say Walcha (one of the great Bach players of the last century) only a lesser artist [though both composed music of course]. It is not my point to argue with this, but seeing as Bach is no longer with us, I am not going to knock Walcha, Busch, Wenzinger, Menuhin, or anyone else for bringing the late Bach's music before our ears! Nor am I going to say that Grapelli is a greater artist than Menuhin for playing music you find original and modern! I have seen this view before, that something original is more important than the efforts of some dead person recreated for the public somehow stultifies the present creative climate: The only really important thing being the newly minted creation. In that case Tracy Emin's 'Bed' is more importantant than Michealangelo's Moses, or whatever. I cannot get into this debate, but I certainly know which I would prefer to spend my time and effort going to see. The old remains a challenge and a spur to the new artists, but not a stifling influence to those with imagination!

The composer is the Master and the re-creative artist, the Servant, and that is obvious, but why on earth you could not have made your point immediately, without a tirade against me TWICE, over the bass, when you went into how tone might be affected on my instrument, and then said you were bored by my reply, the second time in rather rude terms, even though I had not reposted...

Well, though I see your point well enough, and agree about the importance of the composer over the recreative artist, I see nothing to suppose that Menuhin's or anyone else's efforts actually stifle creativity in today's composers, though it is possible to believe that none of them will achieve the status of Bach or Beethoven...

But given the burning you gave me over something which you seemingly invited me to write (as you have dropped me many cues in the past), and were afterwards at best being obscure in your intemperate approach to the issue, and certainly very rude, I shall now bid you Adieu.

Fredrik