Classical lovers, do you recognise yourself here?

Posted by: Whizzkid on 23 July 2009

Hi Guys,

As many of you Classical lovers enjoy a good debate I thought this might be interesting to you and maybe a little revealing of your habits as Classical collectors.



Originally written by David Hurwitz and posted at “Classics Today”:

SEVEN PHASES IN THE LIFE OF A HARD-CORE (CLASSICAL) COLLECTOR

Do You Recognize Yourself Here?

I’m sure that some of you have seen that famous little poster called “The Six Phases of a Project?” In case this escaped your attention until now, these are: (1) enthusiasm; (2) disillusionment; (3) panic; (4) search for the guilty; (5) punishment of the innocent; (6) praise and honors for the non-participants. It occurred to me recently that the life of a typical hard-core classical music record collector might be similarly categorized, and so I modestly propose the following:

Phase 1: Discovery. This is the most wonderful time of all, when the world seems full of an almost limitless number of masterpieces crying for your attention. The only constraint on your enthusiasm is your pocketbook, and you do whatever you can to purchase as much as possible as quickly as possible.

Phase 2: Expansion. You notice that the same music sounds different in different performances, and so you begin collecting multiple versions of your favorite works and start to get a sense for which artists offer interpretations that are most to your liking. You smile knowingly when friends and family members ask the perfectly logical question: Why do you need 15 different recordings of Mahler’s Second Symphony? Foolish people!

Phase 3: Fandom. Your taste in various performers leads you to fixate on one or two (or more) who you believe hold the key to indisputable artistic greatness. Now instead of purchasing multiple recordings of the same music, you’re after multiple recordings of the same music by the same artist at different periods (sometimes only a few days apart). You begin looking for pirate air-checks, private recordings, every scrap you can get your hands on, no matter if it sounds awful and your idol might have had a really bad day. You MUST have it anyway. You find great significance in relatively tiny interpretive differences from one performance to the next.

The next four phases are not necessarily the inevitable outcomes of the first three, and not every hard-core collector experiences all of them, but most eventually manage at least one or two.

Phase 4: Nostalgia. This is a transitional phase: now comes that terrifying moment when you feel that you’ve heard it all. You’ve mastered the basic repertoire and know all of the great performers, those you like and those you don’t, and have reached the dreaded Great Works Saturation Point. What’s missing in your life is the thrill of discovery: that first flush of enthusiasm for each masterpiece as it first sounded when you originally encountered it.

Phase 5: Crusade. Happily salvation is at hand, in the form of dozens of fine independent labels specializing in all sorts of repertoire niches just waiting to be explored. There are two principal dangers with this phase (not including possible bankruptcy). The first is the inevitable and chronic lack of shelf space, a difficulty avoided as you make your first trips to that fabulous musical safety-valve, the used CD shop. The second danger is the tendency, similar to what happens in phase 3 above, to make exaggerated claims for music that really isn’t all that special or interesting just because its novelty excites your fancy. People will look at you strangely as you vigorously try to defend the assertion that Havergal Brian was England’s greatest composer, Sorabji a genius, or that Beethoven was a musical pygmy compared to Ferdinand Ries. This phase can go on for years, with literally thousands of disc's passing through a typical collector’s hands in an endless crusade for that Holy Grail of classical music:
the neglected masterpiece. If you seriously believe that the “three Bs” means Bax, Boughton, and Bach (W.F. of course!), then you’ve gone too far, and it’s really time to move on to Phase 6.

Phase 6: Renewal. One day, as you look through the letter B in your carefully alphabetized collection, you see those 40 or 50 Beethoven cycles that you haven’t touched in months, or even years. Playing the symphonies, just for old time’s sake, you’re stunned to realize that they truly are light years better than the second rate novelties that have constituted your main musical diet lately. So you move on to Brahms, Mozart, Handel, Mahler, Haydn, Bach, even (gasp!) Tchaikovsky, and Richard Strauss. It’s as if you’re hearing them all for the first time--and how alive, how refreshing they all sound! You fall in love with the great classics all over again, and you realize that the judgment of history isn’t always wrong. They don’t call ‘em “warhorses” for nothing!

Phase 7: Maturity. If you’re lucky, you may get this far. You realize that it’s not necessary to own 50 Beethoven cycles, 46 of which you never play, when you can be just as happy with 20 of them, 16 of which you never play. The complete harmonium music of Siegfried Karg-Elert, that Bulgarian Mahler cycle, 20 or 30 Gregorian Chant collections, six copies of the same historical recording reissued on six different labels in marginally varying (terrible) sound quality, your cherished 12 CD box containing pirate recordings of Sviatislav Richter’s “legendary” Spandau Prison concerts, and literally dozens of Baroque operas about which you remember nothing beyond the fact that they all sound exactly the same--all of these go straight to the used CD store where, like lost umbrellas, they will be returned to circulation to nourish the next generation of classical CD collectors. And as for you, well, you still purchase new releases, but discretely, selectively, and you take the time to enjoy every one.

David Hurwitz



I half inched this from another forum I frequent, thanks Jerry Smile



Dean...
Posted on: 23 July 2009 by u5227470736789439
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So you move on to Brahms, Mozart, Handel, Mahler, Haydn, Bach, even (gasp!) Tchaikovsky, ....


That is where I am at, though with the maturity to only have one complete Beethoven symphonic Cycle!

Except that I moved onto Bach and Haydn with a reasonable dose of the others mentioned, even gasp[!] Tchaik! [... except R Strauss; empty noise if ever there was, or Mahler who tends to leave me more near suicide than anything else!]

No point wasting time on the second rate with so little time left!

I keep a nodding acquaintance with a much wider repertoire, but apart from Sibelius, none of it moves me like the old masters.

ATB from George
Posted on: 23 July 2009 by mikeeschman
I am a phase 6, with an addenda to add new performances by performers I already love, to see how things have changed.

The collection grows much more slowly, because I am only adding dozens of new examples by known performers to keep up with how they are changing over time (years and decades, not weeks and months).
Posted on: 23 July 2009 by soundsreal
quote:
Playing the symphonies, just for old time’s sake, you’re stunned to realize that they truly are light years better than the second rate novelties that have constituted your main musical diet lately.

Are you sure you're a 6, Mike?
Posted on: 23 July 2009 by mikeeschman
PD
Posted on: 23 July 2009 by Todd A
A mix of 3, 5, 6, and 7. And yes, that's possible.



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Posted on: 23 July 2009 by Geoff P
Dean... I am in a mixture of 1, 2 & 3 which I suspect is where you are aswell...

regards
Geoff
Posted on: 24 July 2009 by mikeeschman
quote:
Originally posted by soundsreal:
quote:
Playing the symphonies, just for old time’s sake, you’re stunned to realize that they truly are light years better than the second rate novelties that have constituted your main musical diet lately.

Are you sure you're a 6, Mike?


I'm at the tail end of being a 6. Got there about 3 years ago. Now the library is adding new performances of familiar and loved performers, and providing a lot of enjoyment.
Posted on: 24 July 2009 by stephenjohn
25 years of collecting and still a two! Or a one.
Posted on: 24 July 2009 by Naijeru
I guess I'm at phases 1 and 2. When I started exploring classical music I didn't expect to enjoy it so much!
Posted on: 24 July 2009 by soundsreal
Good for you, Naijeru, enjoy it! There's a whole world out there and don't let a few of these ol sods ruin it for you. When did you start exploring classical? Recently? Do you have a favorite era or instrument you're collecting?
I have a friend who just got into it, and it's fun loaning some of my favs to see what she thinks.
Take care
Posted on: 25 July 2009 by mudwolf
I think that I'm only a lowly 1. Since I didn't have much musical appreciation in school. I rarely collect 2 or 3 copies by different performers. OK maybe just Stravinsky.

My tastes are for the bombastic and outrageous since I come from the rock and roll 60s. Turned to classical at 35 when I was bored with my nerves being pounded and needed to contemplate. I tend to start with Beethoven, Schubert and like to hear the development (or destruction) of music into the 20th century.

This is the same with my preference in art. Forget baroque, pretty but not revealing, tho I did study them and have gone to many early paintings to learn about some things. Get to the impressionists and postI, to Picasso to abstract and then into light and space or weird installations. Yehaa!

I just saw Amadeus last night on DVD, such a fun movie tho not accurate, it's hollywood after all. The music was wonderful, but KUSC plays Mozart about 30% of the day, way too much for me.
Posted on: 25 July 2009 by mudwolf
I go to many LA Phil concerts and operas, many are new experiences for me still. I go to the talks before to learn something and try to observe how the music is played, why they choose the sequence of pieces, and how my feelings rise and fall with them. But I'm just an amateur listener with heart.

Now that I've outed myself I'll go turn on the Saturday morning opera show or put on one I"ve bought. I've not heard The Rakes Progress in 2 years I bet. Or Norma, gotta love a woman who dies with her lover at the end.
Posted on: 25 July 2009 by Naijeru
Soundsreal, I started exploring classical with earnest just a few months ago. I recently moved not far away from Lincoln Center where the New York Philharmonic Orchestra performs and have been taking every opportunity to run down there and hear some concerts.

It started with me being dissatisfied with the performance of my system on Shostakovich's 7th symphony, at the time the only classical music I owned. I made some upgrades and now with a satisfactory system I asked my friends for some suggestions. Most of them answered with the popular pieces we have heard countless times in commercials and movies. Beethoven, Haydn, Vivaldi etc. UGH! Of those the only one I could tolerate was Vivaldi and I began to despair that classical music was the stuffy pretentious clap-trap I secretly feared it was, but knew it couldn't possibly be. This music must be popular for a reason, but I just can't hear it with new ears, especially Beethoven. I lose interest very fast with his music.

I wanted to feel something, I wanted to be thrilled by musical ideas and I didn't want to have to try to like it. I wanted my response to be visceral and intuitive like it is with all the other music I like. So I started exploring more Shostakovich and discovered I really like him a lot. His music is often dark, melancholy and muscular which is thrilling to me. I enjoy macabre classical music more than the Rococo-like fairy dancing stuff.

I learned that Shostakovich was heavily inspired by Mahler so I am exploring his work now. OMG, eargasm! I'm currently familiarizing myself with symphony #3. I just had a wonderful demo with my dealer using this piece of music to compare a 282/SC/250 with a 252/SC/300. I know the first movement is pretty long, but it has a nice five minute intro that I thought would be a good piece to demo. Each time we played it we just wound up listening to the whole disc!
Posted on: 26 July 2009 by soundsreal
now that's a great post...
you're in a perfect zone right now, stay there. if you want to bash beethoveen, go right ahead, (although be prepared to get skewered by some), find the music that you like, that really gets you going. you are so lucky to be so close to the ny philharmonic and lincoln center. and i'm happy for you that you're using your hifi to listen to music and not just hifi itself. and you don't need a third eye to listen to classical. use your gut.
Posted on: 26 July 2009 by soundsreal
Mudwolf, is eye-candy Salonen still there? and do you have a favorite Norma? I try to hear the saturday opera broadcasts as well...
Posted on: 26 July 2009 by Whizzkid
quote:
Originally posted by Geoff P:
Dean... I am in a mixture of 1, 2 & 3 which I suspect is where you are as well...

regards
Geoff


Geoff,


I agree about 1 & 2 but 3 is out though I do like to concentrate on one composer at a time with an ear on the next, its Jean Sibelius at the moment with Bruckner being the next candidate.



Dean...
Posted on: 26 July 2009 by Florestan
Yes, this is quite funny. I can relate to most of it. I seem to keep cycling through most of these points and could be at 1 or 2 at one point and then suddenly be at 6 for awhile and so on.

You could probably use this as a platform to represent anyone who collects things or is obsessed about something.