Musical landscapes
Posted by: garyi on 17 June 2005
Heres the thing, I like Yes.
No I do.
What I like is the big songs, the 'close to the edges' and 'revealing science of gods'
Long tunes, that need a bit of work but once in the mind stay there forever.
Most of todays music seems to be 3 minutes long. I enjoy Tortoise, but find their long tunes a bit 'meandering'.
What I want is new groups doing big old stadium tunes, good stuff mind, love it or hate it Yes could do a long tune.
Any hints?
No I do.
What I like is the big songs, the 'close to the edges' and 'revealing science of gods'
Long tunes, that need a bit of work but once in the mind stay there forever.
Most of todays music seems to be 3 minutes long. I enjoy Tortoise, but find their long tunes a bit 'meandering'.
What I want is new groups doing big old stadium tunes, good stuff mind, love it or hate it Yes could do a long tune.
Any hints?
Posted on: 17 June 2005 by Hawk
Have you tried Porcupine Tree? Ive only heard their album 'Deadwing' but its growing on me... The title track 'Deadwing' is just short of 10 mins and 'Arriving somewhere but not here' is just short of 13 mins. Both are great tracks. Apparently this album is a bit heavier than their normal stuff, but i cant comment as its the only one ive heard! Im not sure you would call it Stadium, but there are at least four or five tracks that are 6 or 7 mins plus! i took a punt on it and so far im quite pleased i did..
Cheers
Hawk
Cheers
Hawk
Posted on: 17 June 2005 by JonR
Prog-rock pretenders I reckon, Porcupine Tree - just my humble opinion though! 
Hard to see what else is out there at the moment.
Agree that no-one did, or does it quite like Yes in their pomp.
Cheers,
Jon

Hard to see what else is out there at the moment.
Agree that no-one did, or does it quite like Yes in their pomp.
Cheers,
Jon
Posted on: 17 June 2005 by bhazen
They claim the Mars Volta is prog; well it all sounds a bit ADD to me, really. Last really satisfying prog thing I've heard: Power to Believe, King Crimson; even there though, there's nothing so epic as what Yes can do. Haven't heard the new Van Der Graaf Generator though...
It takes Yes to make a Yes composition, so let's hope they're on the case of making a new album soon. Wakeman is back in the group (what is this, his 4th or 5th time in the band?), so Topographic-length tunes aren't out of the question. If I encounter Alan White at the Safeway, I'll ask him what's up.
It takes Yes to make a Yes composition, so let's hope they're on the case of making a new album soon. Wakeman is back in the group (what is this, his 4th or 5th time in the band?), so Topographic-length tunes aren't out of the question. If I encounter Alan White at the Safeway, I'll ask him what's up.
Posted on: 17 June 2005 by fred simon
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You want long? Really long?
Try the most recent Pat Metheny Group album, The Way Up, a masterpiece in many regards. The album consists of a single 68 minute song, a tightly woven tapestry of composition and improvisation, which does not meander for one second.
There is simply nothing like it in the entire history of human musical expression.
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You want long? Really long?
Try the most recent Pat Metheny Group album, The Way Up, a masterpiece in many regards. The album consists of a single 68 minute song, a tightly woven tapestry of composition and improvisation, which does not meander for one second.
There is simply nothing like it in the entire history of human musical expression.
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Posted on: 18 June 2005 by seagull
I seem to remember that Gary has tried Porcupine Tree in the past, I can't remember whether he ended up liking them or not.
Their 'proggiest' album is probably The Sky Moves Sideways. On the re-issued CD version there is a version of the title track that weighs in at 34 minutes 37 seconds.
Is that long enough?
Their 'proggiest' album is probably The Sky Moves Sideways. On the re-issued CD version there is a version of the title track that weighs in at 34 minutes 37 seconds.
Is that long enough?
Posted on: 18 June 2005 by JonR
Of course if you want an album consisting of one verryyy loooooooong track there's always the absolutely classic...
Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick" !!
Cheers,
Jon
Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick" !!
Cheers,
Jon
Posted on: 19 June 2005 by Wolf
I'll have to go back and pull out my Thick as a Brick and enjoy it all over again while my neighbor is gone. Love the percussive beats on it at beginning and end of sides.
BTW everything has been done before so using something like "nothing like it in the entire history of human musical expression" is a bit bogus. Think Mahler or Wagner's ring cycle for grand expression and depth of meaning. Besides they both changed serious music in thier own way for teh modern era.
BTW everything has been done before so using something like "nothing like it in the entire history of human musical expression" is a bit bogus. Think Mahler or Wagner's ring cycle for grand expression and depth of meaning. Besides they both changed serious music in thier own way for teh modern era.
Posted on: 20 June 2005 by greeny
Classic Rock -71 (octeber 2004)Had a long article on Modern prog. I bought it for the indepth Rush feature.
Howeverethere was cover CD featuring the tracks from the following 'Modern Prog' CDs
Asia - Silent Nation
Spock's Beard - Feel Euphoria
Cave In - Antenna
Nektar - Evolution
Threashold - Subsurface
Porcupine Tree - Signify
Anathema - A Natural Disaster
IQ - Dark Matter
Amplifier - Amplifier
Blackfield - Blackfield
Opeth - Damnation
Caravan - The Unauthorised Breakfast Item
The Flower Kings - Adam and Eve
Wooly Wolstenholme's Meestoso - Meestoso
Of these tracks my favourites were the IQ and Threashold, though I've never been able to locate those albums at a reasonable price.
I have the Amplifier album which is quite good but not prog, modern heavy rock more like. I used to have the Cave In album but though it was poor (and not prog either).
Porcupine Tree's Signify is excellent.
So there's a few there that may be worth checking out.
PS - Anyone Prog fan without IQ's 1983 album 'Tales from the Lush attic' should get is a.s.a.p.
Howeverethere was cover CD featuring the tracks from the following 'Modern Prog' CDs
Asia - Silent Nation
Spock's Beard - Feel Euphoria
Cave In - Antenna
Nektar - Evolution
Threashold - Subsurface
Porcupine Tree - Signify
Anathema - A Natural Disaster
IQ - Dark Matter
Amplifier - Amplifier
Blackfield - Blackfield
Opeth - Damnation
Caravan - The Unauthorised Breakfast Item
The Flower Kings - Adam and Eve
Wooly Wolstenholme's Meestoso - Meestoso
Of these tracks my favourites were the IQ and Threashold, though I've never been able to locate those albums at a reasonable price.
I have the Amplifier album which is quite good but not prog, modern heavy rock more like. I used to have the Cave In album but though it was poor (and not prog either).
Porcupine Tree's Signify is excellent.
So there's a few there that may be worth checking out.
PS - Anyone Prog fan without IQ's 1983 album 'Tales from the Lush attic' should get is a.s.a.p.
Posted on: 20 June 2005 by nap-ster
.........................you could always try Sylvian & Fripp "The First Day"
Posted on: 20 June 2005 by Not For Me
Godspeed You! Black Emperor et al do long tracks with rises and falls, but you must know about them?
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Posted on: 20 June 2005 by Stevedog
Scuse my interjectiuon here but you might like to try this site.. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/tubilahdog_music.htm
It contains the 10 tracks from the album im producing and playing on im mixing now.. "Burn" and "And Bells will ring" are still being worked on but the rest are pretty much what will be released, plus most of the "Tubilah Dog" album.
The Belita album i would say fits into a sort or Prog category , in that, it about soundscapes even though it has shades of everything from Kate Bush to Garbage and NiN running through the tracks. However it has many of the little musical asides attached to the body of songs prevalent in the Prog arena.
The first five songs from Bels album kinda run into eachother via links as willthe final five when released.
Again, apologies for the blatant self publicity and i hope i'm keepinh within the forum rules but seemed an opportune moment to slip this in as it were.

It contains the 10 tracks from the album im producing and playing on im mixing now.. "Burn" and "And Bells will ring" are still being worked on but the rest are pretty much what will be released, plus most of the "Tubilah Dog" album.
The Belita album i would say fits into a sort or Prog category , in that, it about soundscapes even though it has shades of everything from Kate Bush to Garbage and NiN running through the tracks. However it has many of the little musical asides attached to the body of songs prevalent in the Prog arena.
The first five songs from Bels album kinda run into eachother via links as willthe final five when released.
Again, apologies for the blatant self publicity and i hope i'm keepinh within the forum rules but seemed an opportune moment to slip this in as it were.

Posted on: 21 June 2005 by MichaelC
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