Old Has Beens 1

Fredders old bean, regarding pensions and me having left the country! I mentioned on here some months back to the usual silence; that it had taken some six years for me finally to get my pension (NI contributions) accreditation from the UK (pre 1981) added to my German set up. As an individual I had absolutely no chance of getting anywhere with them (Newcastle) even though I had all of the relevant paperwork etc (in triplicate naturally) (they lost two sets surprise surprise with registered post too at great cost to me?). Basically I'm not surprised with present goings on, and if the German system hadn't kicked arse big-style to get what is essentially greatly in their interests (and mine of course) I'd have just given up like so many others, being exactly what the UK pensions set up wanted me to do.

Hopefully I wont have to be unemployed until I'm 67, but as I now have 30 full years paid in (on paper), I know exactly what I would recieve tomorrow if I had to retire for some reason, and my recent (first ever) bout of lumbago which I'm now so much enjoying, sometimes makes me think that way, innit. I'll be older than Our Mick soon before he retired for the first time! and No! the UK Pensions greed merchants didn't accredit me for all payments I'd made, just some 75% of what I was due, and we can; I expect just imagine the scenario if the tables were now turned can't we? there'd be unqualified 'mates' Mickey Mouse IFA's pouring out of every crevis in my direction with big old Cheshire Cat impersonations on their boats

Sad But True:


Davis for PM:

Dear Fritz,

I may be wrong, but I wanted Davis for PM all along, or at least Tory leader - even when they chose Howard. Of the whole lot he is the only one with 'some' sense. I would not buy a second hand car of the "C" fellow!

The pension thing is one big bloody scandal. I am looking to de-invest in my small private penion pot, which is not even keeping up with inflation as an investment, and have some fun now while I am still almost young. I don't care, as I shall never retire, and sincerely hope to die before becoming a burden.

As to lumbago, that is not funny. If my eyes (Central Serous Chorio-retinopathy) carry on getting worse, I'll be retired by default, as the cause is not understood, except it can be related to Steriod Abuse, which I don't do, weighing in at a fly-weight 66 kg, but it is entirely incurable. It does not scare me, and ironically might actually make life easier if I was on disability-benefits. No one is going to expect a middle aged man to go too far on foot to find work, methinks...

All the best from Fredrik

Phritz

This sounds as if (ignoring your scenic route of excessive verbosity) that there is still no agreed system for automatic sharing of pension credits (and the essential exchange of information required) between EU countries? Six years? Bøgger!

Nime, me old Danish Telekom investor, I know of quite a few people here who've jumped around EU Countries, easily taking their pension credits to date with them. As England hasn't fully joined Europe yet one can hardly expect them to simply give their hard earned money away now can you to a bunch of garlic eating foreigners (all other folk previously mentioned didn't include any Brits), and none of them wouldn't ever dare taking any €uropean credits there either, but only to pay their dues whils't in the UK working, under the UK system 'only'(as they know they'll never see them again in the real world).

Last week I recieved my new full-chip card for European Medical care, valid in all countries (inc UK, & new members, no more E111's), but to actually try it, and realise the verbal that beurocrats sprout is an entirely different matter, like getting a cheque, and then actually getting it cashed into your account so that you can withdraw the money, then, and only then, is a transaction completed in my book.


Eng in German means Narrow/Tight:

In English I believe it doesn't mean anything at all at all? so should the old Currant Bun possibly tell everybody that due to a mean shabby Nazi trick they all live in a Country with a German name, please feel free to correct me as per usual !!!

Fredders, that sounds terrible old bean, I hope you do manage to be in control of things for your own sake and at your leasure; rather than some other meaningless Jonnie's opinion & beaurocratic power over you naturally, innit

N.B. I read an interesting story recently of a British Policeman who was charged and found guilty of fraud & theft before a UK Court of Law, given a warning and a fine, and told to be more careful in the future by the Judge. I'll gladly type this up for anybody interested, as the gentleman involved is still a serving officer, and there's no immediate signs of him being anything but, so perhaps Our Mick & Andy would like to er, comment, there gain, they probably wouldn't, as it's much easier to turn the other way and blame somebody else as per usual, innit?

Dear Fritz,

It is not terrible, really, as whatever happens is slow - years not months, so adjustment is easy. I struggle to see my typos on the computer screen, and yet find reading hard copy easy enough. I am legal to drive for now, as I pass the eye test fine, but that actually will not last too much longer. But it will be no shock when things decline.

The frightening bit was being diagnosed. In the dark (and I always used to have very fine sight in the dark) I found that I could no longer find the slot in the Yale to get in. Also I had areas of distortion, and went to my optician, who charged me 35 GBP for a test as I was not getting new specs. He gave me a letter and actually rang the GP there and then. He said it was not his place to tell me what was wrong. Why not I wonder? An hour later the GP was on the blower to the Hospital and only two hours later it was diagnosed, after a discussion which showed that the disease first started as long ago as 1993! I described the symptoms, and was told it was not the Cancer the optician had suspected, the the optical telescope cannot define the difference! That was scary, for I had naturally guessed that the Health Service does not move that fast for anything else...

But everything just slowly moves on. I had the next appointment with my (lovely Chinese) consultant come in the post this morning, which put me in the mind of it again. Both eyes, unfortinately. But I cannot worry about something I can do nothing about!

All the best from Fredrik

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N.B. I read an interesting story recently of a British Policeman who was charged and found guilty of fraud & theft before a UK Court of Law, given a warning and a fine, and told to be more careful in the future by the Judge. I'll gladly type this up for anybody interested, as the gentleman involved is still a serving officer, and there's no immediate signs of him being anything but, so perhaps Our Mick & Andy would like to er, comment, there gain, they probably wouldn't, as it's much easier to turn the other way and blame somebody else as per usual, innit?

Fritz,

What are the circs of the case, please.

Do you know what the result of the internal investigation is? Do you know how the relevant professional standards unit works?
No - then wind yer neck in until you do!

Perhaps you would also elaborate on where I have wrongly blamed someone else for summat (other than in your opinion). More relevant - when have I ever turned the other way in the face of a strong debate on this forum or any other.

Would you like the officer sacked?

Phritz

An "eng" means a meadow in Danish. Much nicer!

An "englander" presumably means a person from the land of meadows?

Ladies, Ladies, Ladies, Fredders firstly, I'm very glad indeed that you are obviously getting good professional help and action for your condition, and that you'll continue to do so, innit. Nime, me old chopper, I'm sure many an Honourable Scot on this forum will find the concept of Narrow-mindedness & Tight-fistedness amongst the English highland amusing, and with the naked truth staring one directly in the face it couldn't be spotted at 60 paces now could it? we're all so conditioned to hearsay, speculation, and downright dangerous fantasy described as 'media-journalism' which more often than not, simply destroys innocent lives I feel, with no recourse from the witch-hunt whatso'ever?

P.S. Eng, as it's mean't in German is indeed the original name, Britain being a long thin bit of land, or am I mistaken here! It's Engländer by the way, the good old 'ae' umlaut bollocks, which I'll never master I feel in a thousand years

Andy Old Son, I sincerely apologise to you if you took a-fence to my 'turning the other way comment' but the gist of the story is another matter entirely, and I wouldn't make such a statement if I hadn't some reason to, and as I've said many a time, I have no agenda as such. I do understand your constant protecting of your 'profession' which you've consistently done for years now on this forum, as well as reminding everybody at just about every given opportunity what you actually do for a living (not sarcasm, fact) so you're once again upset by the Berlin Gobshite, who you'd no doubt like to have a beer with one day, or even stop in a routine check one night whils't i IS driving my black Beemer home, innit.

Cool Headeness Innit:

I'll type up the article later for everybody to consider/ignore as is their want, though I'm honestly glad that you found time to read this thread, and Yes, any Civil Servant, or Lord of the Realm, who's been found guilty of a serious crime involving 'intent' should be stripped of all of their priveleges; and as many believe the killing of an officer in the line of their duty should warrant a harsher penalty than a civilian death, the opposite applies in respect of the trust given to the Public Servant, and the penalty should not only be given, it should be seen to be given, for societies good at large, and please no Grannie comments about, never having made a mistake, which is not my point at all, at all

Have a lovely weekend John, and stay safe

Fritz,

Am in berlin on the 13th!

I have said in the past that wherever a public servant flunts their auth etc they should be dealt with accordingly. Its the 'accordingly' bit that gets some folks backs up, innit?

I don't shove my job down anyones throat, do I? I find it fascinating that sometines folk don't see sertain things from 'the other side of the fence'.

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Fritz,

Am in berlin on the 13th!

I have said in the past that wherever a public servant flunts their auth etc they should be dealt with accordingly. Its the 'accordingly' bit that gets some folks backs up, innit?

I don't shove my job down anyones throat, do I? I find it fascinating that sometines folk don't see sertain things from 'the other side of the fence'.

Your last sentence is the crux of it all I'd say old Son, and I do wish you a good time here on the 13th, which as I well know is a tuesday, as I have a full old interview on that day with the dreaded powers that be, where if things remain as they do at present, I'll probably have to remain standing throughout the whole proceedings, due to me back like, innit

P.S. It's a shame my mate's in Guatamala at present getting some sun in for 3 months (as all leave's been cancelled for early next year due to the World Cup) you two'd get on like a house on fire no doubt, though I don't know who'd carry you both home afterwards, when the international relations had finished (as they do)?

Cheers, Fritz von Pain in the Back

Fanks, Fritz.

I only try to offer a bit of balance to proceedings, especially when there is some law or police bashing going on, and especially if it ain't balanced and objective!

Andy C von plodding along...

PS Do you know what I actually do?

One law for the police and another for the rest of us? Kent police officer David Williamson, 33, was fined £1,000 at Maidstone Crown Court after admitting an insurance fraud (he'd claimed for a faulty computer which was working perfectly), but when sentencing him, Judge Lawson said: "Because this is an offence of dishonesty which has no bearing on his work as a police officer, I find that distinction lets me consider an alternative to custody." Worrying that a judge doesn't think policemen have to be honest...

Unsurprisingly taken from Legal handheld steam-powered issue 1145 (Nov 2005) of Lord Gnome's tasty pamphlet wunnit:


It's quite true Our Andy that this doesn't constitute the crime of the Century, and as you've already said an 'internal diciplinary inquiry' may well ask him to retire early on health grounds, as not to damage his pension rights, or the Service any further. Our Nime may well pooh pooh this all naturally as typical Private Eye bullshit, and I'm sure a business as experienced as it is in being taken to court for this that and whatever over the years, is hardly going to deliberately put itself in more mortal danger, especially with the new 'Our Micks fair playing field rules' soon to come into play regarding 'POSTAL DELIVERY CHARGES FOR MAGAZINES IN UK' that could well put even as esteemed an instutution out of financial play, if it's not very careful! (Tesco's 'fair Playing field might' etc, will be putting thousands of small paper business's out to pasture soon, due to their greed in wrecking yet another aspect of long hard worked for British Quality life, that basically doesn't belong in supermarkets.

N.B. Lord Stevens (recently Britains top policeman) made some very interesting statements in his autobiography published afzter his retirement, and I personally wonder if a certain other Lord had won the London Mayoral election (before going inside for purgery that is), although I imagine technically the Home Secretary is the Commissioners real Boss? the old London Mayor would have quite a bit of clout over him as well,(I think Sir Ian is more welcome at number 10 than Our Ken though I suspect, whatd'yer reckon?) innit Ken?

As a final thought on a many a winding road Our Andy, I think that if it hadn't been for the fact that the widely publicised copper speeding that time earlier in the year for instance, was considered an arsehole by his 'colleagues' and was basically set up, we wouldn't have heard anything more about it. I personally am no angle, neither hopefully naive, and an elemnet of warning, and not actually getting caught are all part of the game (within reason, and to a certain acceptable degree) . A copper carries quite a lot of individual power, and those afore-mentioned cases were just referring to relatively minor offences, but when setting up & ruining innocent folk vindinctively for stats & revenge/abuse sakes alone, and they're actually caught (rare) the book should literally be thrown at them (I refer to comments here from more than one ex Met Commissioner) :


Evenin All



Don't tell me Andy you're with A10 (Probably even afore your time though John?)

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A copper carries quite a lot of individual power, and those afore-mentioned cases were just referring to relatively minor offences, but when setting up & ruining innocent folk vindinctively for stats & revenge/abuse sakes alone, and they're actually caught (rare) the book should literally be thrown at them (I refer to comments here from more than one ex Met Commissioner) :

I think you will find things have moved a little since days of yore when god were a lad!

I don't doubt the above situ's you quote do occur, but what is not seen are the other investigations both internal and criminal than are done in a proper way re officers etc and dicipline code breaches.

Just 'cos it ain't in the press don't mean it didn't happen!

So, if a person with another occupation, whereby trust was involved, had doen the same thing, what would you have liked to see happen?

IME the book is very readily thrown at officers who step out of line, especially re dishonesty matters. It usually results in them resigning or being sacked!

Just 'cos thats not in the press, it don't mean that don't happen, either!

Information is only labelled impartial IMV when I have access to it all to make a balanced judgement.

I said on the relevant thread way back when it was discussed what I felt should have happened to the police driver!

PS - You need to look at the media also and the way they choose and portray some cases and facts - of course they don't put some stuff in based on parity and fairness, do they?

As a quick reply to your last post Our Andy, before I get my well earned tea on the go after some brisk chilly walking to keep the old body ticking over (movement is the secret, ssshhh, always was):

I agree with everything you've pointed out there, and bad apples always occur unfortunately. The 'media' are at times well over the top, though as you well know, you both need each other to function properly. My honest opinion to correct this (you'll no doubt whince ?) is to fast track 'quality officers/Graduate' after the standard probabtion time for all. Totally restructure admission requirements (min 5 GCE's etc) many are now there who just should not be ! (Prison Service maybe or park keepers in Newham? ). A Nationwide Federal 'Highly trained & armed' FBI style force, which I've always advocated, and present forces integrated, resulting in less forces across the country, though not done in such a way that's purely financial and screwing up long term quality systems, like at present in Essex/Border Forces for instance (discussed in the House last week); where the pro's are just being totally ignored by the politicians/Council wallers (often unelected **) (nothing new there then). Absolutely no 'paid' private work for serving coppers 'of all ranks' and much **less** empowerment of so called CSO's, unless they are seriously trained, experienced indiduals from that community, and are well respected and rewarded accordingly, as well as being properly 'policed themselves'.


God I'm famished, no bloody baked beans left in the larder either

Strewth ! doesn't he just bloody go on and on and on **********


I wish I'd had as many €uros as this thread as had hits; considering it's only a few hours old, never mind as we all know ego-trips pay the old rent ok, so there's no sweat is there Squire, issthere

Andy - I was hoping you were going to divulge your actual role in ensuring that we can sleep safe at night <g>

Derek,

Unless you live in the Notts area of the UK, I sadly doubt that much of what Andy does for a living is going to make a lot of difference!

Cheers,

Jon

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Andy - I was hoping you were going to divulge your actual role in ensuring that we can sleep safe at night

ROFL

I don't need the media, to function properly, i need the help of the public!

Andy C von plodding along...

PS Do you know what I actually do?[/QUOTE]

My mate from Falkirk has just said "Probably as many people as he can! " in answer to your question, but I think he's maybe had too much shandy and excitement over the Rangers match?

Back to my 'Media Circus' of a kitchen methinks, Brrrp


I always like a nice funeral don't you? They just don't seem to quite up to scratch these days anymore though do they? must be the Global warming, and the price of gas, eh? innit

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Originally posted by andy c:

So, if a person with another occupation, whereby trust was involved, had doen the same thing, what would you have liked to see happen?

This question seems to me to be a rhetorical device rather than a real enquiry.

Like Fritz said, the police are not like other members of society in that they have a lot of individual power. Also, they are not liable at civil law for any misuse of that power.

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IME the book is very readily thrown at officers who step out of line, especially re dishonesty matters. It usually results in them resigning or being sacked!

...and that is a comforting thought. Bugger them and the horses they rode in on. Dishonest cops can fuck off, whoever they are and whatever they did. Society doesn't need them and I don't think they should be forgiven their "mistakes".

Being above reproach should be the minimum standard.

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Being above reproach should be the minimum standard.

Hi Deane!

Long time no chat:

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This question seems to me to be a rhetorical device rather than a real enquiry.

Nope, I'm interested to note that only the police are lumped into some's definition of what is desired re being beyond reproach - yet there are many other agencies that IMV fall into the same category!

Therefore I ask to see what other occ's ought to comply with Fritz/Deans world?

andy c!

I'm afraid I really can't say too much at this stage.


Dishonourable Brotherhood of Thieves & Scoundrels (elected by default & public-postal apathy), Palaces of Westminster, London, (Absolutely Nowhere near Nottingham or Wakefield, where Robin Hood comes from, innit): (Ask after Tone)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nime:
Isn't profit on British property sales taxable? There are encouraging TV programmmes about these overnight profiteers from auction to brimming success.
Etc, etc ***************************

Forgot to compliment you on this rather sweet little rantette you posted at the end of my last tether Old Bean

Our Mick's Soul Brother, I think Not !!!

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:

Forgot to compliment you on this rather sweet little rantette you posted at the end of my last tether Old Bean

I leave all the ranting to experts like you me old eng.

iS It cOS i Is wHIte ?


Bit of Kommissar Beck tonight methinks and a dreaded hot water bottle (first time in years):

Goodnight, Brrrp:

P.S. I was shocked & Stunned by our Honourable member for antideluvia and early moaning women in black dresses kerb crawling disguised as perfect coffee seeking, swearing so horribly, uneducatedly & vulgarly on an earlier post within this thread, such language would get one arrested in a civilised society, and think of all the kids reading this too, have people no shame anymore, I ask you, really? innit

I saw a shepherd on a train the other day, Strange I thought?

I wonder if the extra 6'll make me even more devilishly boring?

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P.S. I was shocked & Stunned

The less you swear the more it means when you do...