Seven Ages of Rock (BBC2 19th May)
Posted by: DenisA on 19 May 2007
Starting TONIGHT @ 9.10PM until 30 June.
A definitive landmark series charting the emergence and re-emergence of rock music as a global force, told through the musicians who have shaped this most enduring of genres.
Programme details
hereSome highlights of the seies from
NPL are..
A rare Pink Floyd promo video for "Jughead Blues" is to be screened on TV for the first time, as part of a new BBC documentary series "The Seven Ages Of Rock."
The promo video was made by the Central Office of Information (COI) primarily for North American, Canadian and Australian television and is made up of small shorts including talking computors and see-through teapots.
"Jughead Blues" was the final video that Syd Barrett was included in before he was replaced by Roger Waters.
The new series will also feature a multitude of rare and never-seen-before film footage, including the first known broadcast of an alternate promo for the Floyd single "Arnold Layne" as well as home-made film footage of the band in 1967.
Previously unknown to Pink Floyd collectors, there is also a clip of the first film in colour of the band with David Gilmour.
The Floyd material will be part of episode two, a special on art rock - entitled "Between Rock And An Art Place."
Other rarities that "The Seven Ages Of Rock" have unearthed include a first broadcast of the Velvet Underground performing at the Annual Dinner of the New York Society for Clinical Psychiatry on January 13, 1966.
There will also be swathes of never-seen-before clips of David Bowie, including his show at the Rainbow Theatre on August 19 1972 and a perfomance of "Space Oddity" at the Ivor Novello Awards in May 1970. Both are being broadcast for the first time.
Follwing this on BBC4 @ 10.10PM is
The BBC4 Jimi Hendrix Documentary as highlighted by SteveGa a couple of weeks ago.
featuring footage from the Marquee in 1967 to Hendrix's last UK performance at the Isle of Wight festival in 1970 along with classic performances from Woodstock in 1969.
Including contributions from Eric Clapton, Germaine Greer, Little Richard, Lou Reed, Pete Townshend and Mick Jagger. This programme contains strong language. [Joe Boyd, John Head, Gary Weis, 1973] [S]
Sat 19 May, 22:10-23:50 100mins Stereo
Enjoy
Denis
Posted on: 21 May 2007 by Sloop John B
I must say I enjoyed this first episode.
I'm just hoping we can get through all 7 without Paul Morley.
SJB
Posted on: 21 May 2007 by BigH47
Got that guy is it sharma? something "music writer" he seems to be in every programme.. Verbal diarrhoea.
Enjoyed the show despite him.
Howard
Posted on: 21 May 2007 by DenisA
Howard
I agree about verbals, less bunny more music. I think these programme makers forget that sometimes. Still this Friday it's the Floyd & Bowie rarities.
Denis
Posted on: 22 May 2007 by acad tsunami
quote:
Originally posted by DenisA:
told through the musicians who have shaped this most enduring of genres.
'Most enduring'?
Posted on: 22 May 2007 by DenisA
Hi acad,
I merely quoted the BBC2 Summary as seen
here.
Are you saying that the musicians being showcased did not shape 'Rock' or that 'Rock' itself is not an enduring genre? As Last Friday's show centred around Hendrix, I thought the comments from Jagger, Richards, Clapton, Beck, Townshend were respectful with a touch of
there but the grace... Also as they have survived, their contributions as Artists over the last 40 years have been Major to genre of Rock. Have I misunderstood your observation?
Denis
Posted on: 22 May 2007 by acad tsunami
Hi Denis,
I was merely questioning whether Rock could be called 'most enduring of genres' - I mean compared to classical music rock has not been around for very long at all. I watched the first episode - I agree about the verbals - very low brow and tedious but everything else was good.
Posted on: 10 June 2007 by Guido Fawkes
Still not convinced about this series - it's OK but very predictable. Of the heavy metal bands, Deep Purple (are Deep Purple a heavy metal band?) were more than worthy of mention, Sabbath are OK and I like Iron Maiden (great entertainers).
However Motley Crue sounded dreadful - surely we could have a better example - if Deep Purple are heavy metal then so are Atomic Rooster. Moreover, Cathedral are a million times better than Motley Crue (IMHO).
Oh help me, Mrs Medlicott I don't know what to do!
I've only got three bullets and there's four of Motley Crue...
Next week it's Stadium rock - should I bother tuning in - if it's Queen or Robbie Williams then I'm switching off.
BTW Led Zep are classified as stadium, but aren't they heavy metal?
Posted on: 11 June 2007 by Steve S1
I agree with you ROTF.
Deep purple were not considered "heavy metal" in their day. This is a bit of history re-writing. It was blues based rock like the other bands you mention. except Jon Lord's classical interests provided a bit more interest than some.
The way they are going we'll see Hendrix, Ash, Heep, Budgie and Clapton called "Heavy Metal".
Steve
Posted on: 11 June 2007 by JWM
To be honest, Mrs JWM and I are coming to the conclusion that this series is, in fact, bizarre. As a 'rock family tree' for genres rather than specifice personnel, it is exceptionally partial, even if one recognises that it can only hope to be a fairly broad sweep.
When we got to the stage of combining 'heavy' with 'punk' (and given that we'd already had much about the British 'roots') we were left wondering where were ... Motorhead? A (British) programme on heavy metal but is minus Motorhead seems a contradiction in terms! And if Ozzy is hailed as 'the great survivor', what about Lemmy?!!
And the journalist contributors also seem capable of the strangest comment.
James
Posted on: 11 June 2007 by Steve S1
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
BTW Led Zep are classified as stadium, but aren't they heavy metal?
I'd like to think not. Metal to me would have included Def Leppard, Venom, Tygers of Ping Pong, Ozzy, Motorhead, Priest, Maiden etc.
I remember a Venom album being described as sounding like "a gorilla shitting in a dustbin".
That puts the difference between Metal and blues based rock into perspective rather neatly, I thought.
I agree with much of what James says about the "family tree" aspect. But interestingly the Punk bands that endured ended up playing like the bands they were supposed to be so critical of. Funny old world.
Stadium rock? Isn't that more Boston, Toto, REO Fugbucket, Journey, BOC etc. Not Zep. Unless to qualify as "stadium" you have to have filled a few - in which case maybe Wham qualify.

Steve
Posted on: 12 June 2007 by Rasher
Yes, it's a funny old series isn't it. I'm trying to catch up on what I've recorded and I saw the HM chapter last night. I'm pleased they included Metallica, and I've kept that to show my daughter as she loves them (9 year old metal-head/goth

- that's my girl

) .
I always thought Judas Priest were a joke - they were just so naff. The only "hair" band I really liked was Enuff'Z'Nuff, who I still love. In fact I need to dig out their albums.
I'm gutted they are putting Led Zep in a stadium catagory along with the likes of U2! That just isn't on! I like the idea of "stadium rock" as a genre though - that should be adopted. It's like "music for couples".
Posted on: 12 June 2007 by BigH47
quote:
Unless to qualify as "stadium" you have to have filled a few - in which case maybe Wham qualify.
Not if you include the word "Rock" with stadium they don't.
Posted on: 12 June 2007 by Malky
I've watched two of the programmes so far, very disappointing and not a patch on Dancing In The Streets and other BBC series. I'm particularly disappointed as Charles Shaar Murray is the consultant and he's generally one of the more informed and perceptive hacks. I've recorded, but still to watch, the first one and the punk episode. Hope they're a substantial improvement on the episodes I've watched so far.
Posted on: 14 June 2007 by Rasher
The bit I loved was the part on Juda Priest, the naffest band in the world ever. (They avoided mentioning the time Rob Halford rode on stage on his Harley - only to go out of control and disappear off the front of the stage. Off to hospital - show cancelled.

)
I like the story about how the single Living After Midnight came about. Rob Halford recounted that he was woken up by one of the guitarists "riffing"

downstairs. He looked at the clock and was shocked that it was
after midnight! Shocking isn't it! As they are obviously such rebels and could start a revolution by staying up late, he wrote a song about it, which of course was a battle cry to all their leather jacketed air guitar playing fans who related to the ignominy of being sent to bed by their mums at 8.30 sharp.
Nice to know that British rock was at the forefront of rock rebellion even then!
Air guitars at 2min20 I wet myself watching this one Look at the way he walks into the bank

And how did the drum kit suddenly get in there!

Posted on: 14 June 2007 by MichaelC
A video not be proud of.
This series is so disjointed - I have been watching it and feel that it could have been so much better BUT would have to comprise of considerably more episodes to do the whole subject justice.
Posted on: 16 June 2007 by Guido Fawkes
Just watched the latest episode of this less than satisfactory rock documentary - thought this was the worst of the series by some distance. Excepting Led Zeppelin who got a couple of minutes at the start, not one band whose records I would ever buy. What it did bring home to me was the reason I stopped going to rock concerts. Yes, I'm old and grumpy, but this fare was pretty awful - IMHO, of course.
Posted on: 17 June 2007 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
Rotf you did not see Phil doing the blues brothers on BBC4 then
No, I missed that (relieved smiley). I thought I'd go to bed early and get up and go and buy the Mail on Sunday for the Peter Gabriel CD.
My star ratings of Genesis records I have are
From Genesis To Revelation (***)
Trespass (*****)
Nursery Cryme (***)
Foxtrot (****)
Selling England by the Pound (****)
Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (***)
Trick of the Tail ()
Wind & Wuthering (*)
These are relative ratings - I guess if I were rating other prog albums against these then
Brain Salad Surgery would have about 12 stars. I know my views on Genesis are not shared by others and I do like PG's songs - perhaps he should have joined King Crimson when Greg Lake left.
On Seven Ages - I thought Brian May and Bruce Springsteen came across as nice guys: I just can't find an empathy with their music - my problem, not theirs.
ATB Rotf
Posted on: 17 June 2007 by Steve S1
I've never "got" The Boss either. My failing, I'm sure. But all that flag waving and working class hero stuff doesn't do it for me.
Steve
Posted on: 18 June 2007 by Rasher
Steve - I guess if you don't "get" Springsteen then you are not old enough yet. His music is more "real" than it first appears and I have only just begun to really appreciate what he is all about, and it's pretty honest stuff. For me, the Seeger Sessions project was a complete surprise until it dawned on me that this was the roots behind his music, which gave me a chance to come at his back catalogue from a different angle. If you think he is a flag waver, then you clearly don't get his message because Born In The USA was an anti US politics protest.
But we don't all have to like everything.
I thought the programme made U2 look like sad & ridiculous egomanics, which of course Bonehead is, whereas Freddie Mercury weilding the same amount of power somehow didn't. Strange how he always managed to retain his humility and dignity. Not a fan of Queen (in fact can't stand them) but have total respect for them.
Posted on: 18 June 2007 by JWM
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
Steve - I guess if you don't "get" Springsteen then you are not old enough...
If that's a universal principle, thanks for complimenting me on my eternal youth...

Don't want to fall out over it, but (like you and Queen) can't stand Springsteen I'm afraid. Sorry.

James
Posted on: 18 June 2007 by Steve S1
Hi Rasher,
I don't doubt his intentions and I'm glad others like him.
My choice of "flag waving" was a poor one, I didn't mean he was a Nationalist. There is a form of 'anthem' type musical rabble rousing (which to me, Born in the USA is) that really grates. Queen's worst efforts were along those lines too Radio Ga Ga, We are the Champions etc. etc.
Regarding U2, musically I like them a lot, but as you do, I think Bonehead's ego is absurd and I really don't know where these people get off.
All the best,
Steve
Posted on: 18 June 2007 by Malky
If you think you don't like Springsteen, I challenge you to give Born To Run a proper go. Sure it's anthemic and bombastic but his sincerity saves him from becoming a pompous arsehole like Bono. BTR is thrilling, cinematic, Spector-esque, classic pop. It is a hugely moving portrayal of the betrayal of the American Dream from a blue collar perspective, who seek salvation in love.
I didn't care for Bruce until I got into this album. I'm still not overkeen on the rest of The Boss's output but BTR is now an all time fave.
Posted on: 18 June 2007 by ryan_d
I'm not a huge Springsteen fan, but I really like his more intimate and acoustic blues based numbers......Nebraska is a gret record, as is the River.
Ryan
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Steve S1
I thought Saturday's (23/6) programme on REM and Nirvana was easily the best of this 'hit and miss' series so far.
I guess the main problem is that you could make the series three times longer and still not do justice to the time spans they seek to cover.
Steve
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Rasher
I struggle to see why REM & Nirvana go together. They may have started out the same, but Nirvana were nothing like "the American U2". Left of the dial? Surely REM were/are mainstream music for couples - they even do the violins - they are for the same audience as Coldplay! Terry Wogan music. Hardly left of mainstream!
Left of the dial were surely bands like Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Screaming Trees, Paw, Soundgarden etc who barely got a mention. Nirvana were a red herring anyway. I think this totally missed the mark.