Seven Ages of Rock (BBC2 19th May)

Posted by: DenisA on 19 May 2007

Starting TONIGHT @ 9.10PM until 30 June.

A definitive landmark series charting the emergence and re-emergence of rock music as a global force, told through the musicians who have shaped this most enduring of genres.

Programme details here

Some highlights of the seies from NPL are..
A rare Pink Floyd promo video for "Jughead Blues" is to be screened on TV for the first time, as part of a new BBC documentary series "The Seven Ages Of Rock."
The promo video was made by the Central Office of Information (COI) primarily for North American, Canadian and Australian television and is made up of small shorts including talking computors and see-through teapots.
"Jughead Blues" was the final video that Syd Barrett was included in before he was replaced by Roger Waters.

The new series will also feature a multitude of rare and never-seen-before film footage, including the first known broadcast of an alternate promo for the Floyd single "Arnold Layne" as well as home-made film footage of the band in 1967.
Previously unknown to Pink Floyd collectors, there is also a clip of the first film in colour of the band with David Gilmour.
The Floyd material will be part of episode two, a special on art rock - entitled "Between Rock And An Art Place."

Other rarities that "The Seven Ages Of Rock" have unearthed include a first broadcast of the Velvet Underground performing at the Annual Dinner of the New York Society for Clinical Psychiatry on January 13, 1966.
There will also be swathes of never-seen-before clips of David Bowie, including his show at the Rainbow Theatre on August 19 1972 and a perfomance of "Space Oddity" at the Ivor Novello Awards in May 1970. Both are being broadcast for the first time.



Follwing this on BBC4 @ 10.10PM is
The BBC4 Jimi Hendrix Documentary as highlighted by SteveGa a couple of weeks ago.

featuring footage from the Marquee in 1967 to Hendrix's last UK performance at the Isle of Wight festival in 1970 along with classic performances from Woodstock in 1969.
Including contributions from Eric Clapton, Germaine Greer, Little Richard, Lou Reed, Pete Townshend and Mick Jagger. This programme contains strong language. [Joe Boyd, John Head, Gary Weis, 1973] [S]

Sat 19 May, 22:10-23:50 100mins Stereo

Enjoy

Denis
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
I struggle to see why REM & Nirvana go together.


Me too - I quite like REM.

Thought the programme was awful, it gets worse every episode - why do I feel the need to watch it?
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Malky
quote:
Thought the programme was awful, it gets worse every episode

Wish they'd repeat Dancing In The Streets, or release it on DVD.
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Cyrene
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
I struggle to see why REM & Nirvana go together. They may have started out the same, but Nirvana were nothing like "the American U2". Left of the dial? Surely REM were/are mainstream music for couples - they even do the violins - they are for the same audience as Coldplay! Terry Wogan music. Hardly left of mainstream!

Left of the dial were surely bands like Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Screaming Trees, Paw, Soundgarden etc who barely got a mention. Nirvana were a red herring anyway. I think this totally missed the mark.

It was the first time I've watched this series.

I think they were trying to illustrate the importance of American College radio; bands like REM were very popular with this demographic and considering this is a very mainstream programme, highlighting this particular band would be more accessible to the general audience than that of Guided By Voices, for example.
I think it was flawed but then again aren't all music programmes. Think of Ken Burns' Jazz!!!
True, very influential bands were briefly mentioned or omitted completely but if you examine the real essence of the Pumpkins for example, you'll find they were born out of the riffology of Sabbath, AC/DC and the pomp of Boston and Van Halen; the very acts that were berated so 'left of the dial'.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Pumpkins fan --- saw them live, possess nearly everything they've done and still think Dream is one of the best albums of all time -- in any genre.... but they are still derivative.
But please.... STP? They were never really on the radar anyhow....



PS> and yes, Dancing In The Street deserves a re-run.
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Rasher
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrene:
But please.... STP? They were never really on the radar anyhow....


Awww...play Plush to remind yourself.
Agree about Siamese Dream. Gish too.
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by BigH47
Like all of these type of programmes it's what's missing that makes the news. So what? Surely better a (slightly) flawed programme,rather than more BB or find a singer for whatever show.
I have learnt something new from ALL the shows so far.It might not be new but my memory ain't so good these days.
As usual You can't please all of the people......etc etc.

Howard
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by rupert bear
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
Surely REM were/are mainstream music for couples - they even do the violins - they are for the same audience as Coldplay!


Try the 5 1/2 LPs they made for the IRS label between 1982 and 1987 before they joined Warner Bros and you might get a better idea.
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Rasher
I used to have some early REM (and Husker Du). Yes, I agree that they used to be a great young band - I said they started out the same as Nirvana, but they became .....something else. I'm not surprised that Kurt topped himself when REM was playing on his stereo - Everybody Hurts is enough to make anyone throw themselves off the nearest bridge.
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Kevin-W
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
Steve - I guess if you don't "get" Springsteen then you are not old enough yet. His music is more "real" than it first appears and I have only just begun to really appreciate what he is all about, and it's pretty honest stuff.


For me, Rasher, this is the exact problem I have with Springsteen. His sweaty, blue collar widescreen epics leave me completely cold. I find him ponderous in the extreme. There's no glamour, no excitement, no sense of any forward motion, just a lot of "sincere" shouting.

K

PS - Queen played at Sun City during the SA boycott. Do you have "total respect" for this humble gesture?
Posted on: 25 June 2007 by Kevin-W
I agree with most people here that this is not-terribly-good programme. It's quite a nice idea, dividing rock up into seven "ages" rather than going for the traditional genre or chronological approach, but it's just too thin to hold up particularly well.

That said, I thought he punk programme was pretty good (hasn't the wonderful Viv Albertine of the Slits aged well?), and the art rock one was OK.

But the most recent one was a complete farce.

K
Posted on: 26 June 2007 by Rasher
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin-W:
Queen played at Sun City during the SA boycott. Do you have "total respect" for this humble gesture?

No. Got me there.
Posted on: 01 July 2007 by Guido Fawkes
It's finished.

The last episode wasn't too bad - although I don't think I'll be rushing out to buy the music they played - I have a couple of albums by Blur and they seemed the most interesting of the bands they went through. The Smith sounded sincere. Still compared with the rest of the series this one was OK.

Of course they missed the most important group of the era completely.

BTW did I miss the folk-rock episode?
Posted on: 01 July 2007 by BigH47
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BTW did I miss the folk-rock episode?


Certainly no important bands or musicians in that genre. Razz
I would have though HMHB would have had a show on their own. Roll Eyes

I had the not unexpected technology failure. I have been transferring these progs from sky box to DVD. I recorded last nights and transferred it almost straight away to clear the sky box not realising last nights prog was 90 mins against the normal 70. The DVD recorder filled the disc and it now won't read the disc so I can't play it or finalise it. I also now have lost episode 5 and 6. Still I expect it will be on again.
Posted on: 01 July 2007 by Guido Fawkes
Howard

It is repeated on tonight (Sunday) at 11.05 - if you lost last nights programme.

A HMHB show sounds a great idea, but why not a series after all the BBC gave Cliff his own series and they gave Charles Asnovoice his own series, they gave Englebert his own series, so why not the four lads who shook the Wirral - they are assured of one viewer Smile

Still at least there's Half Man Man Half Biscuit Radio - it could be better by applaud the concept.

In the meantime - this is worth a listen - says it all really.

ATB Rotf
Posted on: 01 July 2007 by BigH47
It's OK I have Saturdays programme still recorded it's the other 3 that where on the DVD that I lost.

Howard
Posted on: 01 July 2007 by Rasher
I think this was the best of the lot & I'm pleased that they covered the Stone Roses as they were the band of the moment for me, and I was playing their stuff to my friends before their first album was released. I still think their first album was just about perfect. The second was crap and it was all over. I still think Oasis were pretty special too. Even Suede were covered, another band that was the soundtrack of a period of my life.
I know what I'm going to be playing this week.
Posted on: 02 July 2007 by ryan_d
Yeah but the Smiths were well covered and they were the progenators of the whole scene. And an excellent band to boot.

RYan
Posted on: 02 July 2007 by DenisA
Thought I should stick my head above the parapet after recommending the programmes. I must say that the series has been a big disappointment. Certainly the last show was the most coherent and for me, providing an insight into the UK 90's indie scene. It was a decade that almost passed me by musically as my daughter was born in 1990 and priorities changed. As the show lasted 90 minutes, more time was dedicated to each band and now I know more about Suede and Stone Roses. I have become an admirer of the shy and retiring Noel Gallagher and Oasis still have a tremendous work ethic. New bands should learn a lot from that practice makes perfect attitude. Did I miss something or were The Verve not mentioned?
I think the big mistake with the programming was that the first 6 shows were only 1 hour and treated like a whistle stop tour. There was no Jack Black - School of Rock enthusiasm by the Journo’s or in the commentary. With each show I kept thinking this was lazy music journalism with a parallel to BBC’s sports coverage (i.e. Crap!). It was a bit better than the Play School coverage of Glastonbury though.
Just to balance my criticism, the archive footage from the late 60’s onwards might not add up to much. It is possible that bands, managers and record labels did not make material available. This might explain why hundred’s of bands to choose from didn’t even make the cutting room floor. I just wish the programmes had been aimed at the record collector demographic and along the way drag the charts listening public with it. With all the Record Labels and Shops complaining about dwindling sales, perhaps they might invest in quality TV shows to showcase their artists. More ‘live’ or recorded gigs shown on TV would help the music industry arrest its decline.

The good news is that I hope to meet up with fellow Dan Man enthusiasts @ Hammersmith on Saturday Cool

Denis
Posted on: 05 July 2007 by Steve S1
Denis,

I thought it was worth watching in parts but the subject was impossible to cover adequately over such a short period.

To my way of thinking each subject could have had a series of it's own and still not scratched the surface.

Steve