A United Christian Church Future
Posted by: DAVOhorn on 20 February 2007
Dear All,
Is this really possible after 400 years of independence from Rome?
Would all Non Catholic branches rejoin to form a united Christian Church?
Or would religious bigotry vested interest etc etc get in the way of the potential reunification of Christianity.
I feel some of the more esoteric churches would baulk at their loss of finance to Rome as many of these are multi million dollar businesses first and faith second.
Interesting to see what the head Of The Church Of England thinks of this.
Oh yeah and the Monarch too.
Blair would be up for it as his Wife would tell him to reunite the Anglican Church with Rome under the leadership of the Papacy.
Should be a fun debate .
regards David
Is this really possible after 400 years of independence from Rome?
Would all Non Catholic branches rejoin to form a united Christian Church?
Or would religious bigotry vested interest etc etc get in the way of the potential reunification of Christianity.
I feel some of the more esoteric churches would baulk at their loss of finance to Rome as many of these are multi million dollar businesses first and faith second.
Interesting to see what the head Of The Church Of England thinks of this.
Oh yeah and the Monarch too.
Blair would be up for it as his Wife would tell him to reunite the Anglican Church with Rome under the leadership of the Papacy.
Should be a fun debate .
regards David
quote:Originally posted by Deane F:
Acad
[QUOTE] I gave up philosophy years ago. It's as much of a waste of time as using a game of chess to try to discover why your washing machine doesn't work. Western philosophy is a game - nothing more.
Well Deane, I am apt to agree, western academic philosophers are all about making money, writing crap and banging their students as far as I can see (good work if you can get it mind you
)- Actually (although people like B.Russel hailed Wittgenstein as being the greatest philosopher of the 20th century a lot of his work was incomprehensible tedious dross imo but he DID say some important things and is close to Nagarjuna (whom I respect greatly - no western philosopher comes close imo)on a few things but the pearls are few and far between imo. quote:At least the pure mathemeticians take pride in their field not being of any use to anyone. Wish the philosphers could make the same toast at their own dinners.
They would be too busy discussing the word 'toast' to enjoy it while it was still hot methinks.
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I've read what you've written intelligently, thanks. However, the best (and worst) advertisement for any system of belief is the buggers that carry the cards. "Ye shall know them by their fruits." On that basis alone I will not invest my heart and soul into any religion that I have come across. Hell, I had started on my journey to convert to Judaism (Orthodox congregation) but I am still too troubled by the situation in Israel to take it any further.
This is interesting - were you going to become Jewish or converting from one form to another? Orthodox are the chaps with the hats and sideburns yes? Are they not against zionism?
In some sense one cant entangle the religion from the practitioners and I agree with you there, but......on the other hand (as James has pointed out)we are only human and it is a shame (in some respects)to dismiss a faith because some nutters get it wrong. Personally I think all Zionists, Islamic extremists and Christian fundamentalists are aberant and barking - and they all share a faith in God and reverence for the OT (or at least parts of it)and unshakable belief that they are wholly right and others are wholly wrong (even though they have NEVER studied or better still practiced any other faith and can not speak from experince but only from received bigotry - at least my bigotry is my own
)and although it may seem that I fall into this same trap I would maintain that my belief which is not based on mere faith or in what could be conventionally considered to be a religion at all - is largely attained from first order verified experience not received dogma. Until such time as the Zionists, Islamic extremists and Christian fundamentalists drop the OT crap (there is a hell of a lot of it and not much of any virtue)we can expect alot more madness in the world methinks.quote:I'm tired of your personal attacks and snide remarks. I try not to return like for like - but I am not perfect and this text-based conversational medium leaves a lot to be desired - I am genuinely sorry if I have offended you or annoyed you.
I am tired of being misquoted or misrepresented - it happens alot here - most of what passes as thinking is in fact just emotion in words and people get very emotionally attached to their views to the degree that all they read and hear and see is filtered through a mass of previously accumulated bias so dense it obscures or even blinds (I suffer from this too). I genuinely am not offended or annoyed - I have a strong inclination towards pedantry ('you should have been a bloody lawyer' is what I hear a lot) - I once contradicted a general in front of his staff when I was a lowly subaltan - I just can't help it
You could call me all the names under the sun and I could not care less but I won't be misquoted or have my views misrepresented and always reserve the right to challenge someone when I think they have done so - if I seem to make any personal attack I apologise - no doubt we would have jolly good discussions if we met in real none-virtual life. You make a valuable contribution to this forum.quote:Originally posted by Don Atkinson:
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who disgraced himself and obviously felt obliged to leave - who was also a Buddhist and some sort of ex army officer.
If it is so 'obvious' to you then one wonders why you are so very wrong.
quote:Originally posted by Don Atkinson:quote:If it is so 'obvious' to you then one wonders why you are so very wrong.
Oh, I think I can cope with being "so very wrong" on this occasion.
Cheers
Don
Yes, you should be getting used to it by now
quote:Yes, you should be getting used to it by now
Nothing to get used to. One-offs like that one are no bother - in fact, a real pleasure.
....but you'll just have to take my word on that, since you don't have this sort of personal experience yourself.....
Cheers
Don
quote:Originally posted by Don Atkinson:quote:Yes, you should be getting used to it by now
Nothing to get used to. One-offs like that one are no bother - in fact, a real pleasure.
....but you'll just have to take my word on that, since you don't have this sort of personal experience yourself.....
Cheers
Don
LOL - I did think I was wrong once but it turned out I was mistaken er....
Don, I always enjoy your post in the hi-fi room and defer to your expertise there - you are one of the most informed and consistent posters there but here in the rubber room I beg to differ on a number of issues but if we all thought alike what a boring place this would be! Like Deane you make a valuable contribution here and this ere forum would be the poorer without you (but I can't wait to contradict you on something - anything - I just can't help it
)quote:Originally posted by Don Atkinson:
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Not much chance of getting bored in here...........
I disagree. (I told you I couldn't wait - I feel better now
)Must God be a something ? can he not be simply a symbol or an ideal, something or someone to strive to understand or follow his teachings...
After all God seems to be many things to many people...a bit like Hifi really
After all God seems to be many things to many people...a bit like Hifi really