Engineering question about electric trains

Posted by: Deane F on 27 November 2006

I am on holiday in Melbourne at the moment and have been using the trains most days. They are electric trains powered from an overhead wire - with a pantograph providing the contact. I started to wonder how the contact shoe and overhead wire lasted any amount of time with the continual friction. I've looked it up on the net (which is how I found that the assembly on top of the train is a pantograph) and understand that the overhead wire zigzags slightly down the track to avoid a single point of contact on the shoe.

But the train is travelling at 80kmh most of the time. I just don't see how the wire doesn't wear through the shoe within 10 or twenty kilometres - especially as the pantograph is applying what must be a reasonable amount of pressure to the contact.

Can anybody clear this up for me?
Posted on: 27 November 2006 by BigH47
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I just don't see how the wire doesn't wear through the shoe within 10 or twenty kilometres - especially as the pantograph is applying what must be a reasonable amount of pressure to the contact.



Surely something like the same reason the wheels or tracks in a rail system, the brushes in a motor don't quickly wear out. Specific hardness is specified by the designer/engineer to give the required length of service.
These systems are used on the 180 mph/300kph trans europe eurostar type trains.

Howard
Posted on: 27 November 2006 by NaimDropper
Indeed. Compatible materials (likely composites) in particular shapes that not only meet the mechanical rigors of the contact but also supply a whopping slug of current (and survive the arcing when the contact is interrupted, etc.).
These types of things have much more engineering behind them than they seem on the surface.
Good for you to notice and marvel at such a thing, this escapes the vast majority of riders.
David
Posted on: 27 November 2006 by arf005
So I'm guessing the shoes at the top of the pantographs are copper or carbon or other soft(er) material that is a good conductor.......that way they can be easily changed out as opposed to the overhead cables!

But I'm no electrical engineer.......I just generate, distribute, isolate, and generally try and avoid contact with the stuff as much as possible..... Razz

A good question though Deane, and I have often thought the same while riding the trains over in The Netherlands (gorgeous other half's work HQ is based over there), I was interested in the way the cables were suspended too.....with what looks like clips that only grip the sides of the cables alternating from side to side as you run down the length, again either for balance or to reduce ware and tear.....

Clever stuff indeed.

Cheers,
Ali
Posted on: 28 November 2006 by Roy T
Wear and tear are not the only problem to consider as criminal gangs take a shine to Italian railway copper wires.
Posted on: 28 November 2006 by arf005
Shame they managed to isolate the supply first!!
Posted on: 28 November 2006 by JohanR
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So I'm guessing the shoes at the top of the pantographs are copper or carbon or other soft(er) material that is a good conductor


Yes, its carbon on the surface of the pantograph for the obvious reasons already stated.

JohanR (Train spotter/Modell Railroader)