One Hundred Al***s You Should Remove from Your Collection Immediately
Posted by: Roy T on 12 January 2003
I saw this headline in a music e-zine out of the USA and thought others may have additional suggestions for the list. The follow up discussion / bitching sometimes gets a bit heated, you have been warned! One Hundred Albums You Should Remove from Your Collection Immediately
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Kevin-W
Hilarious!
And about 75% completely and utterly oon the button!
And about 75% completely and utterly oon the button!
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by David Stewart
Very amusing and contains some apposite recommendations, but no I'm not about to ditch my original vinyl copies of Dark Side or Physical Graffiti.
However if anybody would like to avail themselves of the opportunity to acquire a mint CD of Ten Summoners Tales by Mr Sting, I'd be glad to oblige.
And to sweeten the pill I'll even throw in an FOC copy of the incredibly dreary Days Like This by Van the man (guaranteed only played once).
David
"Opinions are like belly-buttons, everybody's got one"
However if anybody would like to avail themselves of the opportunity to acquire a mint CD of Ten Summoners Tales by Mr Sting, I'd be glad to oblige.
And to sweeten the pill I'll even throw in an FOC copy of the incredibly dreary Days Like This by Van the man (guaranteed only played once).
David
"Opinions are like belly-buttons, everybody's got one"
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by --duncan--
Harsh...but fair
Gulp, OK so I own 14 of these. Who can do better (worse)?
duncan
Gulp, OK so I own 14 of these. Who can do better (worse)?
duncan
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Mekon
Just 9 here. FWIW, my Beastie Boys albums aren't going anywhere.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Not For Me
I am proud to say have 25 of them.
He doesn't even mention B*b Dylan or V*n Morrison, or any other of these time wasters as well!
DS
He doesn't even mention B*b Dylan or V*n Morrison, or any other of these time wasters as well!
DS
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by ejl
quote:
Funny there was so little Jazz and no classical in the list. They obviously don't have an eclectic taste
Indeed. The list reveals a limited knowledge of pop as well; there is little on the list pre-1980, and most of what is there follows a predictable pattern of "popular and good but not great" that requires no particular musical knowledge and makes it easy to pan later on.
There are so many things that are so much worse: Rainbow: "On Stage", Circle Jerks: "Group Sex", Elvis: "Having Fun on Stage With Elvis" (terrible in a rather sad way), to give just a few, tentative examples of things that make anything on this guy's list look mildly disappointing at worst. And this is before we get to esoterica like the Osmond Family Christmas Album
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Rockingdoc
Excellent. I guess there will be bonfires of Who records in the streets, not just Tommy and Uncle Ernie.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Pete
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Alves:
18. and I like them all. especially the Miles Davies.
I managed 24 (though 2 for "all Grateful Dead"). Had I read the entry for Bitches Brew the first time I bought it I'd have agreed wholeheartedly: I couldn't find anything beyond ethereal whirling noises spread over the 4 sides. But rather more recently, with rather a lot more music under my ears, I borrowed a copy and tried again, and immediately tuned into it. And then went out and bought it again, having exorcised it the first time around.
I'm surprised they think "Time Out" would never be played, it's an incredibly accessible album, especially compared to the likes of Bitches Brew.
Pete.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Roy T
Following one of Ejl's ideas I think that the age of the author has skewed the list towards 1980 an upwards, but has the age of responding members also skewed their comments?
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Kevin-W
Gulp! 32!
I have 32 of these, including those bt Beefheart, Miles Beatles, the Floyd, etc. Most of 'em I'd keep, if only for sentimental reasons (after all, when was the last time anyone listened to Let It Be?).
Still, at least I can hold my head high and say I have nothing (nor have I ever had anything) by Sting OR the Police.
There are a few I would take out and replace.
Namely...
These are the 10 albums that, should you possess them, you should dump immediately:
(in no particular order)
1. REM - Automatic For The People
2. U2 - Boy
3. Paul Simon - Graceland
4. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
5. Queen - entire catalogue
6. Mick Jagger - She's The Boss
7. Doors - An American Prayer
8. John Coltrane - Interstellar Space (a waste of...)
9. Spandau Ballet - everything
10. Bruce Springsteen - everything (except Nebraaska, which is actually quite good)
I think aa good deal of Dylan's work – particularly his 80s stuff (Oh Mercy excepted) and virtually everything before Bringing It All Back Home is undeserving of its reputation(s). That said, Highway 61, Blood On The Tracks, Blonde On Blonde, Desire and the last two are all fantastic.
I have 32 of these, including those bt Beefheart, Miles Beatles, the Floyd, etc. Most of 'em I'd keep, if only for sentimental reasons (after all, when was the last time anyone listened to Let It Be?).
Still, at least I can hold my head high and say I have nothing (nor have I ever had anything) by Sting OR the Police.
There are a few I would take out and replace.
Namely...
These are the 10 albums that, should you possess them, you should dump immediately:
(in no particular order)
1. REM - Automatic For The People
2. U2 - Boy
3. Paul Simon - Graceland
4. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
5. Queen - entire catalogue
6. Mick Jagger - She's The Boss
7. Doors - An American Prayer
8. John Coltrane - Interstellar Space (a waste of...)
9. Spandau Ballet - everything
10. Bruce Springsteen - everything (except Nebraaska, which is actually quite good)
I think aa good deal of Dylan's work – particularly his 80s stuff (Oh Mercy excepted) and virtually everything before Bringing It All Back Home is undeserving of its reputation(s). That said, Highway 61, Blood On The Tracks, Blonde On Blonde, Desire and the last two are all fantastic.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Kevin-W
Correction
Ok, Dylan's 80s output (Knocked Out Loaded, Down in the Groove, Empire Burlesque) DOES deserve its reputation.
I suppose you could add Prodigy's absurdly overrated Fat of the Land to the list.
Ok, Dylan's 80s output (Knocked Out Loaded, Down in the Groove, Empire Burlesque) DOES deserve its reputation.
I suppose you could add Prodigy's absurdly overrated Fat of the Land to the list.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Gunnar Jansson
really good fun!
Eventhough I have to disagree on some from the list.
What´s the expression?
Killing your babies?
Gunnar
Eventhough I have to disagree on some from the list.
What´s the expression?
Killing your babies?
Gunnar
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Bhoyo
Gulp, 41!
I own at least another 50 that shame me, but which I don't have the heart to get rid of. I suspect I'm not the only one here who keeps EVERYTHING, even the total bollocks.
I own at least another 50 that shame me, but which I don't have the heart to get rid of. I suspect I'm not the only one here who keeps EVERYTHING, even the total bollocks.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by greeny
26 here, and most of those 26 are superb and often listened to. This is just someone trying to be trendy by slating popular albums.
got to say as well that Ejl comment
I do not agree with.
Most would rate:
Nevermind
The Joshua Tree
Hunky Dory
The Boatman's Call
Physical Graffiti
Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
Dark Side of the Moon
And many others as 'great'.
got to say as well that Ejl comment
quote:
and most of what is there follows a predictable pattern of "popular and good but not great
I do not agree with.
Most would rate:
Nevermind
The Joshua Tree
Hunky Dory
The Boatman's Call
Physical Graffiti
Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs
Dark Side of the Moon
And many others as 'great'.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by David Stewart
I feel it would be more statistically significant if the number of listed 'duffers' in the collection was expressed as a percentage of the total number of non-classical albums owned.
Quite obviously the bigger your collection overall, the greater the likelihood of it containing significant numbers of these.
Only if the proportion was excessive, would the 'taste police' be notified
I'll fess up to 3/150 or 2%
David
Quite obviously the bigger your collection overall, the greater the likelihood of it containing significant numbers of these.
Only if the proportion was excessive, would the 'taste police' be notified
I'll fess up to 3/150 or 2%
David
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by ejl
Most would rate: Nevermind The Joshua Tree Hunky Dory The Boatman's Call Physical Graffiti Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs Dark Side of the Moon And many others as "great"
I agree with you greeny that there are some great/near-great albums here (hence my qualifier "most").
Following one of Ejl's ideas I think that the age of the author has skewed the list towards 1980 an upwards, but has the age of responding members also skewed their comments?
Maybe, but at least I've heard (or have) most of what is being skewered by the reviewer. I defy anyone to listen to Rainbow's "On Stage" and then say, with a straight face, that "Combat Rock" is most deserving of removal from a collection. Indeed, I defy anyone to listen to the "On Stage" in its entirety at all! ;
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by BigH47
Just 15/100 here. Still I guess he has to do something between his meds. Running a website keeps him off the street and out of your way. If we all liked the same it would make most of our threads short/boring.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Mr.Tibbs
Just one!
Nirvana Nevermind
I wouldn’t play it now though.
Mr Tibbs
Nirvana Nevermind
I wouldn’t play it now though.
Mr Tibbs
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Keith Mattox
Shrug
Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that the author is a wannabe nonconformist that thinks that being critical of anything close to the mainstream makes him cool. Especially as a fair number of the works that he lists are seminal in rock and jazz. I doubt most people enjoy being around him.
Oh, around 22/100
Cheers
Keith.
Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that the author is a wannabe nonconformist that thinks that being critical of anything close to the mainstream makes him cool. Especially as a fair number of the works that he lists are seminal in rock and jazz. I doubt most people enjoy being around him.
Oh, around 22/100
Cheers
Keith.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by Roy T
The site is full of reviews, rants and things I don't understand.
Is this cutting edge, is it funny, is it art?
Is this cutting edge, is it funny, is it art?
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by fred simon
It seems that the author of the list is primarily concerned with image ... his, ours, the musicians' ... and not the music itself. That our chief concern should somehow be that someone will think ill of us if we own a certain album.
I have no use for this kind of indiscriminate, anti-intellectual wanking. Don't understand Miles Davis' Bitches Brew? By all means, pronounce it rubbish and label anyone who doesn't agree as a poseur. That's using one's brain!
Bottom line, anyone who has this to say about John Coltrane's Giant Steps only betrays their own ignorance:
As I often like to point out, personal taste and reasoned critical assessment are two distinct measures, and they should remain distinct, especially when they don't intersect. It is only the hopelessly arrogant who consider their own personal taste as some kind of universal arbiter of artistic quality.
I have no use for this kind of indiscriminate, anti-intellectual wanking. Don't understand Miles Davis' Bitches Brew? By all means, pronounce it rubbish and label anyone who doesn't agree as a poseur. That's using one's brain!
Bottom line, anyone who has this to say about John Coltrane's Giant Steps only betrays their own ignorance:
quote:
Most jazz created after the Big Band era is essentially musical masturbation (and like masturbation, if you must do it, you should do it in private!). It's self-indulgent noodling interesting only to the person playing it, a few fetishists, and lots of pseudo-intellectuals and wannabe hipsters who have to pretend to like it because it's "cool." Like porno, it's dismissive of and degrading to both the performer and the viewer. People who watch porno do so alone for a reason... it's embarrassing. Some pornos are glossier and prettier than others, and Coltrane may be the John Holmes of jazz, but porno is still porno, and Giant Steps is still a tedious, embarrassing, snoozer of an album.
As I often like to point out, personal taste and reasoned critical assessment are two distinct measures, and they should remain distinct, especially when they don't intersect. It is only the hopelessly arrogant who consider their own personal taste as some kind of universal arbiter of artistic quality.
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by jayd
Hmm... here's an idea. How about everyone keeps the music they enjoy listening to?
Frankly, I put absolutely ZERO stock in his or anyone else's opinions about my musical taste. And I'm certainly not about to validate his ridiculous premise by arguing the merits of albums on his list.
By taking the position that nobody should be allowed to own certain albums, he crosses the line from criticism to censorship. He seems to be emotionally invested in his role as censor; that being the case, he's welcome to try to make my record collection the way he believes it should be. But he'll have to come to my house and forcibly remove the titles that offend him. I hope he tries, I really do.
Jay "my musical taste is my own and nobody else's effing business" Gregory
Frankly, I put absolutely ZERO stock in his or anyone else's opinions about my musical taste. And I'm certainly not about to validate his ridiculous premise by arguing the merits of albums on his list.
By taking the position that nobody should be allowed to own certain albums, he crosses the line from criticism to censorship. He seems to be emotionally invested in his role as censor; that being the case, he's welcome to try to make my record collection the way he believes it should be. But he'll have to come to my house and forcibly remove the titles that offend him. I hope he tries, I really do.
Jay "my musical taste is my own and nobody else's effing business" Gregory
Posted on: 13 January 2003 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Alves:
Hooray for Fred Simon.
For that outburst alone we all ought to go and by all his albums
Tom
Enjoying it all
Hey, I like the sound of that. Thanks, Tom
Posted on: 14 January 2003 by Pete
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Litherland:
8/100 for me - How _can_ he put in Dark Side and miss out Relics?
My 26 is from about 1000 or so, but whatever the numbers I'd much sooner own Relics than Ummagumma. Which is why I own Relics and not Ummagumma, in fact! ("Bike" is originally from Piper at the Gates of Dawn, btw, and Relics would be worth owning simply for the Nile Song). DSotM is one of my all time faves.
Pete.
Posted on: 14 January 2003 by Roy T
Pete, "DSotM is one of my all time faves".
This was the first thing I put on my brand new first bit of Naim kit lp12/ittok/nait/kans.
No way is that going in the bin!
This was the first thing I put on my brand new first bit of Naim kit lp12/ittok/nait/kans.
No way is that going in the bin!